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And for me, it has created a giant pile of unmaintainable code from my coworkers because of stupid management people that think they can code. Refactoring was

And for me, it has created a giant pile of unmaintainable code from my coworkers because of stupid management people that think they can code. Refactoring was never a substantial amounts of time for me before llms. Before I could spot a potential refactor and refactor it in 20 minutes and less. Never abandon it. Just constant improvement to the point the previous tech startup that I was working for just drive from itself (I am still paid a a few hours per months for it)

simonw 1mo ago
Does that code at least come with tests?
- nijave 1mo ago
  Gotta get IT to slip superpowers or at least the TDD skill into MDM/enterprise controls
- rafaelRiv 25d ago
  Before llms : All tests + some type theory things After llms : Just slop without tests
Kiro 1mo ago
I've never met a single developer saying refactors are easy. It's always a minefield. In the only scenario where that could actually be true you wouldn't have coworkers creating unmaintainable code with LLMs now.
- SoftTalker 1mo ago
  If you were fortunate enough to be working in a project with very good test coverage, refactors were easier (maybe not easy) in the sense that you were at least fairly confident that nothing broke. But I've personally never worked on code with test coverage that good. Refactors were always risky.
- rafaelRiv 25d ago
  > In the only scenario where that could actually be true you wouldn't have coworkers creating unmaintainable code with LLMs now. Bingo. My highly qualified team was disbanded because the company went bankrupt. Apparently, the CEO had embezzled a large sum of money. That team was disbanded just before LLMs caught up. The one that create unmaintainable code is a new team and the reason they are able to create such a large amount of unmaintainable code is because of llms. > I've never met a single developer saying refactors are easy. It's always a minefield. Pleasure to meet to you. You now know one. In the land of functional programming, refactoring is quite enjoyable and quite easy.

simonw 1mo ago

Does that code at least come with tests?

nijave 1mo ago
Gotta get IT to slip superpowers or at least the TDD skill into MDM/enterprise controls
rafaelRiv 25d ago
Before llms : All tests + some type theory things After llms : Just slop without tests

Kiro 1mo ago

I've never met a single developer saying refactors are easy. It's always a minefield. In the only scenario where that could actually be true you wouldn't have coworkers creating unmaintainable code with LLMs now.

SoftTalker 1mo ago
If you were fortunate enough to be working in a project with very good test coverage, refactors were easier (maybe not easy) in the sense that you were at least fairly confident that nothing broke. But I've personally never worked on code with test coverage that good. Refactors were always risky.
rafaelRiv 25d ago
> In the only scenario where that could actually be true you wouldn't have coworkers creating unmaintainable code with LLMs now. Bingo. My highly qualified team was disbanded because the company went bankrupt. Apparently, the CEO had embezzled a large sum of money. That team was disbanded just before LLMs caught up. The one that create unmaintainable code is a new team and the reason they are able to create such a large amount of unmaintainable code is because of llms. > I've never met a single developer saying refactors are easy. It's always a minefield. Pleasure to meet to you. You now know one. In the land of functional programming, refactoring is quite enjoyable and quite easy.