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I don't think that's fair. First, it doesn't look like this was an official Opera team complaint. I can't even tell for sure if the guy that started the thread

I don't think that's fair. First, it doesn't look like this was an official Opera team complaint. I can't even tell for sure if the guy that started the thread works for Opera. Second, right now each and every one of the web browsers available has some very stupid problems: Firefox 3 still uses silly amounts of memory, and can't even correctly scroll Reddit pages with lots of comments; Safari is only lukewarm, not customizable, has its own compliance quirks (some versions have a JS bug which will crash it), and isn't especially remarkable in terms of performance; and then there's Internet Explorer. Opera at least is making an effort, and with fewer resources at hand than either Mozilla or Apple. I'm playing around with 10 alpha right now, and it can actually play TED videos on my PB G4 without skipping frames! Hooray! With Opera's Dragonfly developer tool, about the only thing that keeps me going back to Firefox right now is AdBlock Plus. If only there were an auto-updating set-it-and-forget equivalent, I'd kick Firefox to the curb for not ironing out some of their issues before releasing 3.

unalone 18y ago
Somebody downvoted you, which was stupid (guys, quit downvoting people you agree with if they're making good points, we're pretending to be civilized here), but I couldn't help but notice that while you've got criticism for Firefox, your things about Safari are things like "lukewarm", which isn't saying much, and "not customizable", which is false (Safari has some incredible plug-ins, and there're a handful of really good ones that people blatantly ignore because they don't advertise their existence). "Isn't especially remarkable" can be said about both Safari and Opera, who are pretty similar to me as an end user. The only impressive one is possibly Chrome, because of its multithreading. Also, if you're a Mac user, I would recommend GlimmerBlocker (http://glimmerblocker.org http://glimmerblocker.org), which works as an adblocker for every browser you have, which is awesome.
- thaumaturgy 18y ago
  Thanks! I didn't know about Safari's plugins, and I didn't have specific criticisms of it -- other than the crashing bug with drove me nuts at one point -- because I haven't worked with it as much as I have Firefox. Usually it just hangs out in the background somewhere running Pandora and occasionally being a testbed for a site. (However, it just took forever to shut down...) GlimmerBlocker looks great, I'm trying it out now.
fearphage 18y ago
I don't work for Opera or any browser company. I am merely an Opera user. The problem is that the marketing is dishonest. Generally people take offense to that alone but in addition, they are shedding negatively light on other browsers (chrome, opera, firefox, even ie) that have had the features and functionality they are claiming to have pioneered.
- unalone 18y ago
  I haven't looked through Opera's page very much, but Firefox certainly does the same in reverse. They've fixed up their claims - before they were even worse - but they still claim a lot of pseudofeature crap that doesn't matter, while admitting that function-wise, Safari's at least on par with them. (When it first came out the marketing talk was much worse: it reminded me in the worst way of things that palm readers say.)

unalone 18y ago

Somebody downvoted you, which was stupid (guys, quit downvoting people you agree with if they're making good points, we're pretending to be civilized here), but I couldn't help but notice that while you've got criticism for Firefox, your things about Safari are things like "lukewarm", which isn't saying much, and "not customizable", which is false (Safari has some incredible plug-ins, and there're a handful of really good ones that people blatantly ignore because they don't advertise their existence). "Isn't especially remarkable" can be said about both Safari and Opera, who are pretty similar to me as an end user. The only impressive one is possibly Chrome, because of its multithreading. Also, if you're a Mac user, I would recommend GlimmerBlocker (http://glimmerblocker.org http://glimmerblocker.org), which works as an adblocker for every browser you have, which is awesome.

thaumaturgy 18y ago
Thanks! I didn't know about Safari's plugins, and I didn't have specific criticisms of it -- other than the crashing bug with drove me nuts at one point -- because I haven't worked with it as much as I have Firefox. Usually it just hangs out in the background somewhere running Pandora and occasionally being a testbed for a site. (However, it just took forever to shut down...) GlimmerBlocker looks great, I'm trying it out now.

fearphage 18y ago

I don't work for Opera or any browser company. I am merely an Opera user. The problem is that the marketing is dishonest. Generally people take offense to that alone but in addition, they are shedding negatively light on other browsers (chrome, opera, firefox, even ie) that have had the features and functionality they are claiming to have pioneered.

unalone 18y ago
I haven't looked through Opera's page very much, but Firefox certainly does the same in reverse. They've fixed up their claims - before they were even worse - but they still claim a lot of pseudofeature crap that doesn't matter, while admitting that function-wise, Safari's at least on par with them. (When it first came out the marketing talk was much worse: it reminded me in the worst way of things that palm readers say.)