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This is in comparison to Fable: > https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgist.github.com%2Fsimonw%2Facf6ab2516527d97f04b9f07d6

This is in comparison to Fable: > https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgist.github.com%2Fsimonw%2Facf6ab2516527d97f04b9f07d61a7cad https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer?url=ht... > Took just under 14 minutes to generate, and at 65927 output tokens cost me a hefty $3.30! So 50x cheaper - and how much faster?

simonw 29d ago
The Gemini models have openly trained for SVG output, apparently with a specialism on animals in forms of transport! https://twitter.com/JeffDean/status/2024525132266688757 https://twitter.com/JeffDean/status/2024525132266688757
- dieortin 29d ago
  I don’t know if you’re joking, but I don’t see anything in the linked tweet which suggests that is the case
  - simonw 29d ago
    Watch the video. It's from then-Gemini-lead Jeff Dean and the video shows off an animated pelican riding a bicycle, a frog on a penny-farthing, a giraffe driving a tiny car, an ostrich on roller skates, a turtle kickflipping a skateboard, and a dachshund driving a stretch limousine.
    - JacobAsmuth 29d ago
      I'm confused. This doesn't mean they trained on it.
      - simonw 29d ago
        I didn't say trained on, I said "trained for SVG output". Gemini team members have publicly stated that they have trained for SVG: https://twitter.com/sunjiao123sun_/status/2024555516551372920 https://twitter.com/sunjiao123sun_/status/202455551655137292... > I’ve been developing the SVG generation capabilities for Gemini 3.1, and the complexity of the SVGs is stunning. > This allows UX designers to transcend pixel constraints and directly output structural, production-ready code!
- scosman 29d ago
  Community effort happening here to build the ideal dataset: https://github.com/scosman/pelicans_riding_bicycles https://github.com/scosman/pelicans_riding_bicycles
  - MadameMinty 29d ago
    Nice. Really high quality SVG pelicans riding bicycles here.
  - isoprophlex 29d ago
    Wow nice. If an llm could replicate these excellent examples, I'd consider the pelican benchmark fully saturated.
  - phatfish 29d ago
    Come on, don't provide the smoking gun that shows how to draw a pelican riding a bicycle. If it's on the public internet it will end up in training data and invalidate this important LLM capability benchmark.
  - FergusArgyll 28d ago
    If that's not art, I don't know what is. https://scosman.github.io/pelicans_riding_bicycles/ https://scosman.github.io/pelicans_riding_bicycles/
- uif124 29d ago
  Yesterday's transcript of the best version from Fable looked like Fable already knew exactly what it should do without "thinking". In other words, there were no passages like "on the one hand I could do this, on the other hand ...". It saw the fish in the basket from some other previous attempt but completely missed the gap between the tires and the rims where the background shines through (now it knows after scraping this comment and watch the next transcript).

simonw 29d ago

The Gemini models have openly trained for SVG output, apparently with a specialism on animals in forms of transport! https://twitter.com/JeffDean/status/2024525132266688757 https://twitter.com/JeffDean/status/2024525132266688757

dieortin 29d ago
I don’t know if you’re joking, but I don’t see anything in the linked tweet which suggests that is the case
- simonw 29d ago
  Watch the video. It's from then-Gemini-lead Jeff Dean and the video shows off an animated pelican riding a bicycle, a frog on a penny-farthing, a giraffe driving a tiny car, an ostrich on roller skates, a turtle kickflipping a skateboard, and a dachshund driving a stretch limousine.
  - JacobAsmuth 29d ago
    I'm confused. This doesn't mean they trained on it.
    - simonw 29d ago
      I didn't say trained on, I said "trained for SVG output". Gemini team members have publicly stated that they have trained for SVG: https://twitter.com/sunjiao123sun_/status/2024555516551372920 https://twitter.com/sunjiao123sun_/status/202455551655137292... > I’ve been developing the SVG generation capabilities for Gemini 3.1, and the complexity of the SVGs is stunning. > This allows UX designers to transcend pixel constraints and directly output structural, production-ready code!
scosman 29d ago
Community effort happening here to build the ideal dataset: https://github.com/scosman/pelicans_riding_bicycles https://github.com/scosman/pelicans_riding_bicycles
- MadameMinty 29d ago
  Nice. Really high quality SVG pelicans riding bicycles here.
- isoprophlex 29d ago
  Wow nice. If an llm could replicate these excellent examples, I'd consider the pelican benchmark fully saturated.
- phatfish 29d ago
  Come on, don't provide the smoking gun that shows how to draw a pelican riding a bicycle. If it's on the public internet it will end up in training data and invalidate this important LLM capability benchmark.
- FergusArgyll 28d ago
  If that's not art, I don't know what is. https://scosman.github.io/pelicans_riding_bicycles/ https://scosman.github.io/pelicans_riding_bicycles/
uif124 29d ago
Yesterday's transcript of the best version from Fable looked like Fable already knew exactly what it should do without "thinking". In other words, there were no passages like "on the one hand I could do this, on the other hand ...". It saw the fish in the basket from some other previous attempt but completely missed the gap between the tires and the rims where the background shines through (now it knows after scraping this comment and watch the next transcript).