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Those are quotations from really instructed people in the current state of the art. > the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference Any

Those are quotations from really instructed people in the current state of the art. > the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference Any data on this, all data suggests that were there are more guns there are more deaths, apparently evil interferes can buy guns too.

richcollins 14y ago
http://mygunculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Ireland_murder_rates_gun_ban.png http://mygunculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Ireland_m... http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/england.png http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/england.png http://politisite.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/dc-gun-ban-chart-552x361.jpg http://politisite.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/dc-gun-ban-... http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/chicago_handguns.png http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/chicago_handguns....
- jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
  I like to cherry pick data too. USA is the developed country with more Gunshot deaths per capita http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-... UK 7 consecutive years with murder rate falls after stronger gun control, UK have more in common with USA than Jamaica or Ireland http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-statistics/research-statistics/crime-research/hosb0212/hosb0212snr?view=Binary http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-s... The percentage of the crimes committed with firearms in USA is way higer than the half of Colombia, a third world country with multiple armed guerrillas for more than 40 years. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence
  - edyang 14y ago
    Since the UK's gun ban in 1997, gun crime has gone up 89% in a decade: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-viol... "The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent. In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold."
    - summerdown2 14y ago
      Unfortunately the Daily Mail isnt really a news source. Try: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-statistics/research-statistics/crime-research/hosb0212/hosb0212snr?view=Binary http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-s... > In 2010/11, firearms were involved in 11,227 recorded offences in England and Wales, the seventh consecutive annual fall and a decrease of 13 per cent compared with the previous year (when 12,976 offences were recorded). Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI
felipemnoa 14y ago
>>Any data on this, all data suggests that were there are more guns there are more deaths, apparently evil interferes can buy guns too. Le me give you a different perspective on the matter. Free Speech means that you can be critical of the government. It also means that you can spout hatred against something you dislike [1]. I believe most people agree that criticizing your government is what free speech was meant for and not for attacking some harmless group. But to control one kind of speech is to control the other which is why it is not done. In essence, you cannot have it both ways. It is a necessary evil. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#United_States
pc86 14y ago
Unless you exclude suicide, in which case you see as more and more millions of guns are produced every year, murder (and even homicide overall, which includes self defense and accidental homicide) rates are at their lowest point since any time between 1998 and 2004 depending on which specific metric you look at. It is intellectually dishonest to include suicide when talking about "gun deaths."
- jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
  Why is intellectually dishonest? Is your view that the 100% of gunshot suicides would have been successfully committed anyway through other mediums? Or they lives don't count because they don't value/want them?
  - pc86 14y ago
    100%? Of course not. The vast majority? I'm willing to bet, yes. The reason I think it's intellectually dishonest has nothing to do with suicide itself. When someone behind a keyboard or behind a news desk talks about gun-related deaths or gun violence, the image is of armed robberies, execution-style murder, and more recently the crazy white kid with the assault rifle. If you live in certain parts of the US you might think of gang violence. It does not evoke a mental image of the divorced alcoholic ending his life with a revolver, or the undiagnosed depressed college student with his dad's handgun. These are two thirds of gun-related deaths, and they're cheapened when pundits and members of Congress use them to try and score political points.
- edyang 14y ago
  Furthermore, the suicide rate in “gun-free” Japan, at Number 7 on the global list of national suicide rates with 23.8 per 100,000, dwarfing the comparable rate of 11.8 in the heavily-armed United States, which comes in at Number 41.
  - pc86 14y ago
    This is an interesting statistic. What is the source, the WHO?
edyang 14y ago
If the hypothesis that "more guns = more crime" were true, then as the number of guns increased, violent crime should also increase. However, we see the opposite is true. US violent crime is down for the fifth straight year since 2006: http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/29/justice/us-violent-crime/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/29/justice/us-violent-crime/index... But since 2006, gun sales have soared: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/01/05/9983727-fbi-firearm-purchases-shoot-up-in-2011?lite http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/01/05/9983727-fbi-firea... "Purchases of handguns and rifles, which had held steady throughout the early part of the decade, began to surge in 2006 and have nearly doubled since then, according to FBI data." So a doubling of gun sales coupled with a declining violent crime rate over a 5 year period should handily dispatch the notion that "more guns = more crime", correct?

richcollins 14y ago

http://mygunculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Ireland_murder_rates_gun_ban.png http://mygunculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Ireland_m... http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/england.png http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/england.png http://politisite.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/dc-gun-ban-chart-552x361.jpg http://politisite.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/dc-gun-ban-... http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/chicago_handguns.png http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/chicago_handguns....

jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
I like to cherry pick data too. USA is the developed country with more Gunshot deaths per capita http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-... UK 7 consecutive years with murder rate falls after stronger gun control, UK have more in common with USA than Jamaica or Ireland http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-statistics/research-statistics/crime-research/hosb0212/hosb0212snr?view=Binary http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-s... The percentage of the crimes committed with firearms in USA is way higer than the half of Colombia, a third world country with multiple armed guerrillas for more than 40 years. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence
- edyang 14y ago
  Since the UK's gun ban in 1997, gun crime has gone up 89% in a decade: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-viol... "The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent. In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold."
  - summerdown2 14y ago
    Unfortunately the Daily Mail isnt really a news source. Try: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-statistics/research-statistics/crime-research/hosb0212/hosb0212snr?view=Binary http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-s... > In 2010/11, firearms were involved in 11,227 recorded offences in England and Wales, the seventh consecutive annual fall and a decrease of 13 per cent compared with the previous year (when 12,976 offences were recorded). Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI

felipemnoa 14y ago

>>Any data on this, all data suggests that were there are more guns there are more deaths, apparently evil interferes can buy guns too. Le me give you a different perspective on the matter. Free Speech means that you can be critical of the government. It also means that you can spout hatred against something you dislike [1]. I believe most people agree that criticizing your government is what free speech was meant for and not for attacking some harmless group. But to control one kind of speech is to control the other which is why it is not done. In essence, you cannot have it both ways. It is a necessary evil. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#United_States

pc86 14y ago

Unless you exclude suicide, in which case you see as more and more millions of guns are produced every year, murder (and even homicide overall, which includes self defense and accidental homicide) rates are at their lowest point since any time between 1998 and 2004 depending on which specific metric you look at. It is intellectually dishonest to include suicide when talking about "gun deaths."

jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
Why is intellectually dishonest? Is your view that the 100% of gunshot suicides would have been successfully committed anyway through other mediums? Or they lives don't count because they don't value/want them?
- pc86 14y ago
  100%? Of course not. The vast majority? I'm willing to bet, yes. The reason I think it's intellectually dishonest has nothing to do with suicide itself. When someone behind a keyboard or behind a news desk talks about gun-related deaths or gun violence, the image is of armed robberies, execution-style murder, and more recently the crazy white kid with the assault rifle. If you live in certain parts of the US you might think of gang violence. It does not evoke a mental image of the divorced alcoholic ending his life with a revolver, or the undiagnosed depressed college student with his dad's handgun. These are two thirds of gun-related deaths, and they're cheapened when pundits and members of Congress use them to try and score political points.
edyang 14y ago
Furthermore, the suicide rate in “gun-free” Japan, at Number 7 on the global list of national suicide rates with 23.8 per 100,000, dwarfing the comparable rate of 11.8 in the heavily-armed United States, which comes in at Number 41.
- pc86 14y ago
  This is an interesting statistic. What is the source, the WHO?

edyang 14y ago

If the hypothesis that "more guns = more crime" were true, then as the number of guns increased, violent crime should also increase. However, we see the opposite is true. US violent crime is down for the fifth straight year since 2006: http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/29/justice/us-violent-crime/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/29/justice/us-violent-crime/index... But since 2006, gun sales have soared: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/01/05/9983727-fbi-firearm-purchases-shoot-up-in-2011?lite http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/01/05/9983727-fbi-firea... "Purchases of handguns and rifles, which had held steady throughout the early part of the decade, began to surge in 2006 and have nearly doubled since then, according to FBI data." So a doubling of gun sales coupled with a declining violent crime rate over a 5 year period should handily dispatch the notion that "more guns = more crime", correct?