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This gets posted literally moments before I was about to pay them after ditching Claude. Thank you! I hate data collection in paid products. I think I will be

by Diti 1mo ago

This gets posted literally moments before I was about to pay them after ditching Claude. Thank you! I hate data collection in paid products. I think I will be using Kagi Ultimate for the inference UI, so the data is somewhat anonymized before being collected.

throwaway89201 1mo ago
I'm really hoping Mistral will succeed with their open models, so I'm a bit biased, but I don't have any affiliation. This submit is a bit of well-meaning but confused scaremongering however. Mistral has had, and continues to have, a toggle in the admin settings that permanently disables training on your data. The option has not been removed, and previous opt-outs are still honored. As far as I know, Mistral always trained on your data by default except for the enterprise plan, with the option to disable it on all plans, and with the option for organizations to make the choice for all your users. Kagi Ultimate still uses mostly closed models by OpenAI / Anthropic, etc.
- teekert 1mo ago
  There is no toggle in my admin settings to disable this for the whole org (when on the Team plan). If it was there before they recently removed it. "Mistral always trained on your data by default except for the enterprise plan" - This is not true, until last week all docs stated that the use of your interactions with Vibe to train Mistral's AI models was off by default on the Team plan. Now that is only still the case on the enterprise plan.
evanjrowley 1mo ago
My best experience with Mistral has been with their expensive GLM-5.2 model. It's actually developed by Z.ai, but unlike Z.ai, the GLM-5.2 at Mistral can be used at a low price without training on your prompts - but only if you remember to hit the privacy toggle in their admin settings. Planning code changes with GLM-5.2 using a Mistral Studio API key and implementing code changes using the Mistral Vibe API key has worked well for me. At my basic subscription tier, Vibe will share data with Mistral. It works for me because, when it comes to privacy, I care less about the actual code and more about the planning / high-level stuff.
- nozzlegear 1mo ago
  > My best experience with Mistral has been with their expensive GLM-5.2 model. It's actually developed by Z.ai, but unlike Z.ai, the GLM-5.2 at Mistral can be used at a low price without training on your prompts - but only if you remember to hit the privacy toggle in their admin settings. Same here, actually. I'm American but have had a Mistral sub to supplement local models. The Mistral models, IMO, are very hit or miss, and I was about to cancel my sub until I saw they added GLM.
- Zambyte 1mo ago
  Thanks for the pointer! I had set up mistral a while back using pi to compliment my local Qwen usage, but I found Qwen to just be better for all of my tasks at a substantially cheaper price, and reasonably fast tps. I also tried signing up for z.ai, but they would never send me an email to sign in. Using GLM through mistral to compliment my local models seems like exactly what I want.
  - evanjrowley 29d ago
    Qwen is leaving a strong impression on me as well. Qwen-3.8-Max via openrouter has been a strong performer for me. I run it in autolith and then have claude code check the commits. Claude highly praises the quality of the work. Lol
saaaaaam 1mo ago
You can opt out.
rvz 1mo ago
Just run your LLMs locally instead of using external providers. Using Claude, Mistral and the rest of them is not going to solve your issue with data collection.
teiferer 1mo ago
> I hate data collection in paid products. You can opt out in this one.
- trainingonme 1mo ago
  You can, but you still have to opt-out. It'd be better if it was by default.
teekert 1mo ago
You can still easily disable "Allow the use of your interactions with Vibe to train Mistral's AI models." What's annoying is that they switched this to on by default on Team plans with no way to turn it off for your whole team/org, this week.

by Diti 1mo ago

throwaway89201 1mo ago

I'm really hoping Mistral will succeed with their open models, so I'm a bit biased, but I don't have any affiliation. This submit is a bit of well-meaning but confused scaremongering however. Mistral has had, and continues to have, a toggle in the admin settings that permanently disables training on your data. The option has not been removed, and previous opt-outs are still honored. As far as I know, Mistral always trained on your data by default except for the enterprise plan, with the option to disable it on all plans, and with the option for organizations to make the choice for all your users. Kagi Ultimate still uses mostly closed models by OpenAI / Anthropic, etc.

teekert 1mo ago
There is no toggle in my admin settings to disable this for the whole org (when on the Team plan). If it was there before they recently removed it. "Mistral always trained on your data by default except for the enterprise plan" - This is not true, until last week all docs stated that the use of your interactions with Vibe to train Mistral's AI models was off by default on the Team plan. Now that is only still the case on the enterprise plan.

evanjrowley 1mo ago

My best experience with Mistral has been with their expensive GLM-5.2 model. It's actually developed by Z.ai, but unlike Z.ai, the GLM-5.2 at Mistral can be used at a low price without training on your prompts - but only if you remember to hit the privacy toggle in their admin settings. Planning code changes with GLM-5.2 using a Mistral Studio API key and implementing code changes using the Mistral Vibe API key has worked well for me. At my basic subscription tier, Vibe will share data with Mistral. It works for me because, when it comes to privacy, I care less about the actual code and more about the planning / high-level stuff.

nozzlegear 1mo ago
> My best experience with Mistral has been with their expensive GLM-5.2 model. It's actually developed by Z.ai, but unlike Z.ai, the GLM-5.2 at Mistral can be used at a low price without training on your prompts - but only if you remember to hit the privacy toggle in their admin settings. Same here, actually. I'm American but have had a Mistral sub to supplement local models. The Mistral models, IMO, are very hit or miss, and I was about to cancel my sub until I saw they added GLM.
Zambyte 1mo ago
Thanks for the pointer! I had set up mistral a while back using pi to compliment my local Qwen usage, but I found Qwen to just be better for all of my tasks at a substantially cheaper price, and reasonably fast tps. I also tried signing up for z.ai, but they would never send me an email to sign in. Using GLM through mistral to compliment my local models seems like exactly what I want.
- evanjrowley 29d ago
  Qwen is leaving a strong impression on me as well. Qwen-3.8-Max via openrouter has been a strong performer for me. I run it in autolith and then have claude code check the commits. Claude highly praises the quality of the work. Lol

saaaaaam 1mo ago

You can opt out.

rvz 1mo ago

Just run your LLMs locally instead of using external providers. Using Claude, Mistral and the rest of them is not going to solve your issue with data collection.

teiferer 1mo ago

> I hate data collection in paid products. You can opt out in this one.

trainingonme 1mo ago
You can, but you still have to opt-out. It'd be better if it was by default.

teekert 1mo ago

You can still easily disable "Allow the use of your interactions with Vibe to train Mistral's AI models." What's annoying is that they switched this to on by default on Team plans with no way to turn it off for your whole team/org, this week.