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"For contrast: Claude disables training on prompts for organizations starting from the 18 euro tier " In theory also for individuals? At least I have that tog

by lukan 1mo ago

"For contrast: Claude disables training on prompts for organizations starting from the 18 euro tier " In theory also for individuals? At least I have that toggle to deactivate that. But how would I ever know if they actually respect that?

kccqzy 1mo ago
If you don’t trust the company to keep their promise, don’t use their products.
- RussianCow 1mo ago
  I don't trust any company with their word on anything. Luckily, privacy policies are legally binding.
  - nullsanity 1mo ago
    Why does that matter? Legally binding just means "slightly more expensive when we get caught"
  - tjwebbnorfolk 1mo ago
    > Luckily, privacy policies are legally binding. Laws are violated all the time. The graveyard is full of people who had the right-of-way at a crosswalk ...
  - lostlogin 1mo ago
    > Luckily, privacy policies are legally binding. Companies violate them all the time and massive leaks happen a lot. The punishments are trivial.
    - rkangel 1mo ago
      GPDR fines in the EU are NOT trivial.
  - DarmokTanagra 1mo ago
    [dead]
- LeBit 1mo ago
  How can you trust any company? The only company you could think of trusting is one where an external , independent auditor is doing its work.
- locknitpicker 1mo ago
  > If you don’t trust the company to keep their promise, don’t use their products. Your comment is perplexing. No company on earth meets your requirement. What are you expected to do? Move to a hut in the woods?
  - dylan604 1mo ago
    > Move to a hut in the woods? I'm so burned out on the bullshit companies that succeed in tech forcing their will upon us serfs that I'm actively looking into that very thing at this time. Tech used to be fun. Now it's just depressing. I'm ready to go back and take the blue pill.
    - lukan 1mo ago
      Been there. Nice and peaceful, but can get lonely, though.
- lovich 1mo ago
  What company do you trust to keep their promise?
- roosterIllusi0n 1mo ago
  That is ridiculous. Vote to ensure products have to be legally private and make it a crime to share or reuse your data for anything. This should be the norm that people vote for. The idea that we have to give up privacy so some nerdy pervert can be a billionaire off the backs of people who do the work is absurd. Criminalize failure to keep private data private. Arrest CEOs and executives. Put them in jail when it happens.
warkdarrior 1mo ago
How do you know an LLM provider does not kill puppies every time you send a prompt longer than 14 words?
- lukan 1mo ago
  Because they have no incentive as a company to do that? But do have a strong incentive to learn from user input. (Most cutting edge features are developed private - very valuable to get that into your tool) And getting the data is not hard, they already have it. Risky is indeed a bit making use of that data, as that requires at least some humans (as potential whistleblowers). But you don't even have to tell them, where the data came from. Whether they do it? No idea, I assume not, but I see a risk.
  - roosterIllusi0n 1mo ago
    We can easily make it a crime to collect the data and another crime to share it or store it in a way that allows someone else to copy it, authorized or not. People always want to overcomplicate everything to benefit 5 super rich people that got rich taking wages from workers and ripping off retail investors. Please stop the pandering. Vote for yourself and your neighbors, don't vote to eliminate privacy so a rich pervert gets to exploit you.
    - lukan 1mo ago
      And what would my vote change about the situation? Local hosting will be a solution, once the hardware becomes affordable.
      - roosterIllusi0n 1mo ago
        Vote for people who want to restore the 1950s federal tax rates that we already had in the 1950s. I find so sad that people ignore history and act like solutions don't already exist. The 90% tax bracket in the 1950s capped CEO and investor yearly income to the 2026 equivalent of 5mil a year. Use that imaginative brain that likes to speculate instead of learning history to image how our entire society changes if no individual can earn more than 5mil a year in all income sources. We also banned stock buybacks and had more regulations put in place after the 1929 collapse and great depression. Those things were removed slowly over the 60s and 70s until a lot was gutted all at once in the 80s. The final blows came in the 00s. All the problems that existed leading up to and during the great depression are back because we reverted all the laws and policies that were put in place to prevent it from happening again. None of this is complicated. Stop worrying about culture nonsense or right wing nonsense. Start voting to tax rich like we did in the 1950s. Why did we have so many local and regional stores back then, but only a handful of conglomerates today? There is no incentive to merge companies by CEOs when it turns two 5mil a year CEO jobs into one 5mil a year CEO job. In that environment, merging is due to actual company need, not CEO enrichment. CEOs will also stop cutting wages, under staffing, and outsourcing. It all stops because they no longer get paid more doing it. This is actual US history, the country boomed economically because of those tax rates and financial regs. This is not something anyone gets to deny, it already happened. Voting against a proven solution is madness.
danelski 1mo ago
My 20 EUR Claude (individual) had the training on by default.
- teekert 1mo ago
  Yes, individual indeed (used to different but changed about a year ago, see [0] among others]. For the Team and Enterprise plans de default is "not sharing prompts for training" (which I mistakenly referred to as opted out of sharing prompts for training.) [1] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45076274 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45076274 [1] https://claude.com/pricing#team-&-enterprise https://claude.com/pricing#team-&-enterprise
tedggh 1mo ago
Always assume and act as they won’t honor it.
teekert 1mo ago
This post is only about the defaults, and expectations therefore for Team and Enterprise plans and their organizational controls.

by lukan 1mo ago

kccqzy 1mo ago

If you don’t trust the company to keep their promise, don’t use their products.

RussianCow 1mo ago
I don't trust any company with their word on anything. Luckily, privacy policies are legally binding.
- nullsanity 1mo ago
  Why does that matter? Legally binding just means "slightly more expensive when we get caught"
- tjwebbnorfolk 1mo ago
  > Luckily, privacy policies are legally binding. Laws are violated all the time. The graveyard is full of people who had the right-of-way at a crosswalk ...
- lostlogin 1mo ago
  > Luckily, privacy policies are legally binding. Companies violate them all the time and massive leaks happen a lot. The punishments are trivial.
  - rkangel 1mo ago
    GPDR fines in the EU are NOT trivial.
- DarmokTanagra 1mo ago
  [dead]
LeBit 1mo ago
How can you trust any company? The only company you could think of trusting is one where an external , independent auditor is doing its work.
locknitpicker 1mo ago
> If you don’t trust the company to keep their promise, don’t use their products. Your comment is perplexing. No company on earth meets your requirement. What are you expected to do? Move to a hut in the woods?
- dylan604 1mo ago
  > Move to a hut in the woods? I'm so burned out on the bullshit companies that succeed in tech forcing their will upon us serfs that I'm actively looking into that very thing at this time. Tech used to be fun. Now it's just depressing. I'm ready to go back and take the blue pill.
  - lukan 1mo ago
    Been there. Nice and peaceful, but can get lonely, though.
lovich 1mo ago
What company do you trust to keep their promise?
roosterIllusi0n 1mo ago
That is ridiculous. Vote to ensure products have to be legally private and make it a crime to share or reuse your data for anything. This should be the norm that people vote for. The idea that we have to give up privacy so some nerdy pervert can be a billionaire off the backs of people who do the work is absurd. Criminalize failure to keep private data private. Arrest CEOs and executives. Put them in jail when it happens.

warkdarrior 1mo ago

How do you know an LLM provider does not kill puppies every time you send a prompt longer than 14 words?

lukan 1mo ago
Because they have no incentive as a company to do that? But do have a strong incentive to learn from user input. (Most cutting edge features are developed private - very valuable to get that into your tool) And getting the data is not hard, they already have it. Risky is indeed a bit making use of that data, as that requires at least some humans (as potential whistleblowers). But you don't even have to tell them, where the data came from. Whether they do it? No idea, I assume not, but I see a risk.
- roosterIllusi0n 1mo ago
  We can easily make it a crime to collect the data and another crime to share it or store it in a way that allows someone else to copy it, authorized or not. People always want to overcomplicate everything to benefit 5 super rich people that got rich taking wages from workers and ripping off retail investors. Please stop the pandering. Vote for yourself and your neighbors, don't vote to eliminate privacy so a rich pervert gets to exploit you.
  - lukan 1mo ago
    And what would my vote change about the situation? Local hosting will be a solution, once the hardware becomes affordable.
    - roosterIllusi0n 1mo ago
      Vote for people who want to restore the 1950s federal tax rates that we already had in the 1950s. I find so sad that people ignore history and act like solutions don't already exist. The 90% tax bracket in the 1950s capped CEO and investor yearly income to the 2026 equivalent of 5mil a year. Use that imaginative brain that likes to speculate instead of learning history to image how our entire society changes if no individual can earn more than 5mil a year in all income sources. We also banned stock buybacks and had more regulations put in place after the 1929 collapse and great depression. Those things were removed slowly over the 60s and 70s until a lot was gutted all at once in the 80s. The final blows came in the 00s. All the problems that existed leading up to and during the great depression are back because we reverted all the laws and policies that were put in place to prevent it from happening again. None of this is complicated. Stop worrying about culture nonsense or right wing nonsense. Start voting to tax rich like we did in the 1950s. Why did we have so many local and regional stores back then, but only a handful of conglomerates today? There is no incentive to merge companies by CEOs when it turns two 5mil a year CEO jobs into one 5mil a year CEO job. In that environment, merging is due to actual company need, not CEO enrichment. CEOs will also stop cutting wages, under staffing, and outsourcing. It all stops because they no longer get paid more doing it. This is actual US history, the country boomed economically because of those tax rates and financial regs. This is not something anyone gets to deny, it already happened. Voting against a proven solution is madness.

danelski 1mo ago

My 20 EUR Claude (individual) had the training on by default.

teekert 1mo ago
Yes, individual indeed (used to different but changed about a year ago, see [0] among others]. For the Team and Enterprise plans de default is "not sharing prompts for training" (which I mistakenly referred to as opted out of sharing prompts for training.) [1] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45076274 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45076274 [1] https://claude.com/pricing#team-&-enterprise https://claude.com/pricing#team-&-enterprise

tedggh 1mo ago

Always assume and act as they won’t honor it.

teekert 1mo ago

This post is only about the defaults, and expectations therefore for Team and Enterprise plans and their organizational controls.