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Then maybe it's time you look up how unemployment statistics are calculated in Switzerland and you will be surprised that you counted into them. It's unclear t

Then maybe it's time you look up how unemployment statistics are calculated in Switzerland and you will be surprised that you counted into them. It's unclear to me how folks with a university education can make such simplistic statements.

esseph 1mo ago
> It's unclear to me how folks with a university education can make such simplistic statements. Because a "University Education" doesn't shield one from being ill informed, or simply wrong about a topic. I mean, did you get 100% on every test? Well, then...
- teiferer 1mo ago
  I surely didn't. But knowing to not know is an inherent and central lesson from higher education, one would think.
- Oras 1mo ago
  If the uni time didn’t trigger basic instinct of “researching” then that was a huge waste of time and money
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iLoveOncall 1mo ago
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- locallost 1mo ago
  Absolutely unnecessary simple minded low effort insult.
throwaway50111 1mo ago
I do not think so. Ok, from the polls. But in the polls, it seem, I've quickly googled, if you've worked 1 h/week, they will not count you as unemployed. It is a different statistics. The registration in labor office, it is official employement, paid not less than min. wage, you can afford healthcare, etc. While the second poll does not care if you can afford healthcare or not.
2legit2quit 1mo ago
>...and because I didn't use unemployment benefits I didn't show up in the statistics in switzerland and > It's unclear to me how folks with a university education can make such simplistic statements. Do you even fact-check yourself before making specious claims[0][1]? You HAVE to be registered via RAV to be counted. Full stop. 0 - https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home/statistics/work-income/surveys/als.html https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home/statistics/work-income/... 1 - https://switzerlandhandbook.com/rav-and-unemployment-benefits-how-to-register-and-what-you-get/#The_Unemployment_Insurance_Fund_Explained https://switzerlandhandbook.com/rav-and-unemployment-benefit...
- teiferer 1mo ago
  "Full stop"? So you don't want to hear other arguments? The ILO-based statistics differ from what you cited and explicitly "encompasses all persons not employed and who are actively looking for and available for work, regardless of whether they are registered with a regional placement office. " That doesn't match your definition and that's ok.
  - bel8 1mo ago
    The fact that they would rather try to win an internet argument by showing indifference to what others have to say than learn something might hint at traits that keep them unemployed. Harsh but maybe this helps changing their mindset.
    - Chris2048 1mo ago
      Who is "they" in this argument?
      - bel8 1mo ago
        2legit2quit obviously, given the context.
        Chris2048 1mo ago
dbspin 1mo ago
"Then maybe it's time you look up how unemployment statistics are calculated in Switzerland and you will be surprised that you counted into them." Not to criticise, but just to point out that this sentence doesn't quite make sense in English, and it's not immediately apparent what you mean. The sentence has to precisely opposed interpretations.
- teiferer 1mo ago
  Oh interesting. What are the interpretations and why?
  - crefiz 1mo ago
    I beg to differ, perhaps my English dialect is different but sounds pretty OK to me – even for Chatty https://chatgpt.com/share/6a98091f-9550-83eb-b17e-c636ac3441d1 https://chatgpt.com/share/6a98091f-9550-83eb-b17e-c636ac3441...
    - dbspin 1mo ago
      Expert as a stochastic parrot may be in impersonating expertise, grammatical or otherwise, I don't see how citing it is relevant.
  - teiferer 1mo ago
    (Also, why was that question downvoted?)
  - dbspin 1mo ago
    > Then maybe it's time you look up how unemployment statistics are calculated in Switzerland and you will be surprised that you counted into them. First off the sentence simply doesn't make sense. Specifically 'you will be surprised that you counted into them.' I assume the commenter meant something like 'you will be surprised that you were included in those statistics. But it's highly ambiguous since 'you counted into them' isn't sensical. Trying to parse it from context, they could be suggesting a reader would be surprised at how the statistics are calculated, at who is included, at who is not included, or at how similarly they are calculated when compared to other countries.

esseph 1mo ago

> It's unclear to me how folks with a university education can make such simplistic statements. Because a "University Education" doesn't shield one from being ill informed, or simply wrong about a topic. I mean, did you get 100% on every test? Well, then...

teiferer 1mo ago
I surely didn't. But knowing to not know is an inherent and central lesson from higher education, one would think.
Oras 1mo ago
If the uni time didn’t trigger basic instinct of “researching” then that was a huge waste of time and money

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iLoveOncall 1mo ago

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locallost 1mo ago
Absolutely unnecessary simple minded low effort insult.

throwaway50111 1mo ago

I do not think so. Ok, from the polls. But in the polls, it seem, I've quickly googled, if you've worked 1 h/week, they will not count you as unemployed. It is a different statistics. The registration in labor office, it is official employement, paid not less than min. wage, you can afford healthcare, etc. While the second poll does not care if you can afford healthcare or not.

2legit2quit 1mo ago

>...and because I didn't use unemployment benefits I didn't show up in the statistics in switzerland and > It's unclear to me how folks with a university education can make such simplistic statements. Do you even fact-check yourself before making specious claims[0][1]? You HAVE to be registered via RAV to be counted. Full stop. 0 - https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home/statistics/work-income/surveys/als.html https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home/statistics/work-income/... 1 - https://switzerlandhandbook.com/rav-and-unemployment-benefits-how-to-register-and-what-you-get/#The_Unemployment_Insurance_Fund_Explained https://switzerlandhandbook.com/rav-and-unemployment-benefit...

teiferer 1mo ago
"Full stop"? So you don't want to hear other arguments? The ILO-based statistics differ from what you cited and explicitly "encompasses all persons not employed and who are actively looking for and available for work, regardless of whether they are registered with a regional placement office. " That doesn't match your definition and that's ok.
- bel8 1mo ago
  The fact that they would rather try to win an internet argument by showing indifference to what others have to say than learn something might hint at traits that keep them unemployed. Harsh but maybe this helps changing their mindset.
  - Chris2048 1mo ago
    Who is "they" in this argument?
    - bel8 1mo ago
      2legit2quit obviously, given the context.
      - Chris2048 1mo ago

dbspin 1mo ago

"Then maybe it's time you look up how unemployment statistics are calculated in Switzerland and you will be surprised that you counted into them." Not to criticise, but just to point out that this sentence doesn't quite make sense in English, and it's not immediately apparent what you mean. The sentence has to precisely opposed interpretations.

teiferer 1mo ago
Oh interesting. What are the interpretations and why?
- crefiz 1mo ago
  I beg to differ, perhaps my English dialect is different but sounds pretty OK to me – even for Chatty https://chatgpt.com/share/6a98091f-9550-83eb-b17e-c636ac3441d1 https://chatgpt.com/share/6a98091f-9550-83eb-b17e-c636ac3441...
  - dbspin 1mo ago
    Expert as a stochastic parrot may be in impersonating expertise, grammatical or otherwise, I don't see how citing it is relevant.
- teiferer 1mo ago
  (Also, why was that question downvoted?)
- dbspin 1mo ago
  > Then maybe it's time you look up how unemployment statistics are calculated in Switzerland and you will be surprised that you counted into them. First off the sentence simply doesn't make sense. Specifically 'you will be surprised that you counted into them.' I assume the commenter meant something like 'you will be surprised that you were included in those statistics. But it's highly ambiguous since 'you counted into them' isn't sensical. Trying to parse it from context, they could be suggesting a reader would be surprised at how the statistics are calculated, at who is included, at who is not included, or at how similarly they are calculated when compared to other countries.