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that’s a bold statement, and my googling has not returned results that verify this claim. can you provide any context?
by nickthegreek 2mo ago
that’s a bold statement, and my googling has not returned results that verify this claim. can you provide any context?
- xgulfie 2mo agoHere's a fun example https://archive.is/ZtQpj https://archive.is/ZtQpj Another funny moment from this guy https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814#issuecomment-830793992 https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814#issuecommen...
- xgulfie 2mo agoSorry everyone on "hacker" "news" I cannot provably see into a strangers heart of hearts in a way that would satisfy you
- happytoexplain 2mo agoI don't follow, especially since this is a reply to your own post. Can you clarify?
- leephillips 2mo agoIt’s an expression of frustration at being expected to supply evidence after accusing someone of racism.
- nickthegreek 2mo agoHere at HN, we regularly expect evidence of lesser known claims. It’s actually a pretty cool way to form understanding based on reality. My original post was openminded, and stated that I tried to learn more about what your post on my own to not waste your time. When I could bot find discourse or articles about your statement, I asked for a source. That is a natural and valid thing to have happen. If there is basically no validation of your strong statements, maybe think about what you post and what it’s adding to the discourse.
- happytoexplain 2mo agoYou are not responding to the same commenter.
- leephillips 2mo agoThat fun example does not provide evidence of what you accused the developer of. Not even close. I think if you’re going to accuse someone of what amounts to racist paranoia, you’d better have clear evidence of it. The fragment you linked to simply shows Kling being uncomfortable with racial discrimination in hiring, which is a mainstream, probably majority, attitude.
- nasso_dev 2mo agono, the fragment shows kling is completely blinded by his own privileges as a cisgender white guy and completely missing the point of diversity by instead making it all about himself and other cisgender white dudes its unfortunately very common for privileged people to not realize how good they have it compared to people with less privileges. you have to live it to really know what its like diversity efforts being seen as "discrimination against [privileged group]" is exactly how we don't fix the problem
- copper-float 2mo agoNone of this has anything to do with "white replacement", or being "blind to privilege". You're stretching a totally reasonable viewpoint into "evil racism" because you don't agree with his point of view. So you try to slander and discredit anyone who thinks differently than you. Same playbook every time, so boring. You might think differently, but I think hiring someone based on their race to meet arbitrary racial quotas is insulting.
- happytoexplain 2mo agoIn the 2020's, this is just another genre of petty hatred. As time goes on, one "type" of person's historical privilege becomes less and less valid as a reason to reduce them in any way, as compared to anybody else (giving the benefit of the doubt that it ever was "valid"). Similarly, "diversity efforts" are laudable in theory, but in practice they are frequently just discrimination in the opposite direction of what is typical.
- strenholme 2mo agoOnce people start saying things like “his own privileges as a cisgender white guy”, that’s a red flag in my book—someone who writes like that, in my experience, doesn’t have real empathy for others, and uses “privilege” as an excuse to not have empathy or caring towards someone because of their gender or the color of their skin.
- happytoexplain 2mo agoThese both look within the realm of reason. Not that you must agree with them, only that they are not some kind of hideous evil.
- Forgeties79 2mo agoThe dismissal of gendered language as politics is arguably “defensible” in a “I wrote this in a way that allows me to hide behind it” sort of way. It was wrong and needlessly dismissive in a way that clearly communicates he disagrees to anyone who understands typical internet discourse tactics. If he really did not want “political drama” or whatever there are far more effective ways to handle it that don't allow you to also signal your disapproval/disagreement with the content. TL;DR: he handled it in a way that expressed his disagreement while staying plausibly deniable.
- happytoexplain 2mo agoI completely agree that he was unnecessarily prickly/political in his response. I only disagree that it validates xgulfie's implication that he is in the "so bad we should disparage whatever he does" category.
- flaviolivolsi 2mo agoThank you
- strenholme 2mo agoI think it would had been better for Andreas Kling to simply stay “our style guidelines use the masculine form when describing an unspecified person, even though the person may be masculine, feminine, or non-binary”. But I also understand his frustration: Someone who prefers using an indefinite male is not someone who, as per the now-dead slanderous parent post, “a white replacement theory type”. Nor is someone who prefers the indefinite masculine grammatical form someone who, as per another dead post, “is completely blinded by his own privileges as a cisgender white guy”. This kind of hyperbolic overreaction is something Kasparov, someone whose Chess playing and politics I greatly respect, recently described as “Woke 1”: https://www.thenextmove.org/p/2020-accountability-is-mia https://www.thenextmove.org/p/2020-accountability-is-mia - https://archive.ph/20260827172149/https://www.thenextmove.org/p/2020-accountability-is-mia https://archive.ph/20260827172149/https://www.thenextmove.or...
- drnick1 2mo agoAll of this seems about right.
- cute_boi 2mo agowhat is wrong about it? I have issue with diversity that it allows someone to game the whole system. Diversity, Equity and Inclusion looks very good on paper, but in real world implementation it fails abysmally. I can tell because some of my friend who don't know anything got into companies by the same diversity and highly talented friend were rejected.
- catlikesshrimp 2mo agoNot talking about you. But a white supremacist would be ok with only white people formally employed because whoever is not white wouldn't get a job without gaming the system. Pick the lesser evil.
- happytoexplain 2mo agoI share your concern about the effects of white supremacy, but in this case it looks like there is no lesser or greater "evil'. Just a guy who expresses his opinions without delicacy.
- crusty 2mo agoMeritocracy looks good on paper but the real world implementation fails abysmally. - see Pete Hegseth If it's all imperfect failures, I personally prefer the failure that doesn't result in raising up white supremacists.
- happytoexplain 1mo agoProbably "is flawed" is closer to reality than "fails abysmally", in contrast to most modern implementations of DEI.