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Ladybird is steadily progressing: https://ladybird.org/ https://ladybird.org/

cyberax 25d ago
The last time I checked the source code, it was filled with horrible unsafe C++. They also re-implement everything whether it is needed or not.
- dieortin 24d ago
  Aren’t Chrome and Firefox also filled with “horrible unsafe C++”?
  - cyberax 24d ago
    Yup. But they had thousands of engineers working on them for a decade.
    - unloader6118 24d ago
      Doesnt that makes it even less consistent ?
      - cyberax 24d ago
        Why? C++ is horrible, but when you have thousands of developers, you can make it work.
- adamrt 24d ago
  > It was filled with horrible unsafe C++ Are you saying their code was horrible and unsafe, or just that its a byproduct of using C++. They've been rewriting parts in rust: https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/blob/8f0a1b19114e781a56694ced3ea13a720139e146/Cargo.toml https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/blob/8f0a1b19114.... > They also re-implement everything whether it is needed or not. No they don't. SerenityOS did, and that was the goal of the project. But Ladybird has plenty of third party libraries.
  - cyberax 24d ago
    > Are you saying their code was horrible and unsafe, or just that its a byproduct of using C++. Yes. It's both terrible because it's C++, and it's terrible because they're not following the modern C++ safe coding practices. > They've been rewriting parts in rust: https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/blob/8f0a1b19114 https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/blob/8f0a1b19114.... And it's not going to amount to anything major. Rewriting in Rust properly requires architecting things from the beginning. > No they don't. For a long time, their policy had been "no third-party code". Eventually it became untenable, so they started using third-party libraries. But they still ended up reinventing the wheel at least several times.
xgulfie 24d ago
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- nickthegreek 24d ago
  that’s a bold statement, and my googling has not returned results that verify this claim. can you provide any context?
  - xgulfie 24d ago
    Here's a fun example https://archive.is/ZtQpj https://archive.is/ZtQpj Another funny moment from this guy https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814#issuecomment-830793992 https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814#issuecommen...
    - xgulfie 24d ago
      Sorry everyone on "hacker" "news" I cannot provably see into a strangers heart of hearts in a way that would satisfy you
      - happytoexplain 24d ago
        I don't follow, especially since this is a reply to your own post. Can you clarify?
        leephillips 24d ago
        It’s an expression of frustration at being expected to supply evidence after accusing someone of racism.
        nickthegreek 24d ago
        Here at HN, we regularly expect evidence of lesser known claims. It’s actually a pretty cool way to form understanding based on reality. My original post was openminded, and stated that I tried to learn more about what your post on my own to not waste your time. When I could bot find discourse or articles about your statement, I asked for a source. That is a natural and valid thing to have happen. If there is basically no validation of your strong statements, maybe think about what you post and what it’s adding to the discourse.
strenholme 24d ago
I will believe it when I see it. Still no public release.
- kiney 24d ago
  the source is public, you can just compile it

The last time I checked the source code, it was filled with horrible unsafe C++. They also re-implement everything whether it is needed or not.

dieortin 24d ago
Aren’t Chrome and Firefox also filled with “horrible unsafe C++”?
- cyberax 24d ago
  Yup. But they had thousands of engineers working on them for a decade.
  - unloader6118 24d ago
    Doesnt that makes it even less consistent ?
    - cyberax 24d ago
      Why? C++ is horrible, but when you have thousands of developers, you can make it work.
adamrt 24d ago
> It was filled with horrible unsafe C++ Are you saying their code was horrible and unsafe, or just that its a byproduct of using C++. They've been rewriting parts in rust: https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/blob/8f0a1b19114e781a56694ced3ea13a720139e146/Cargo.toml https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/blob/8f0a1b19114.... > They also re-implement everything whether it is needed or not. No they don't. SerenityOS did, and that was the goal of the project. But Ladybird has plenty of third party libraries.
- cyberax 24d ago
  > Are you saying their code was horrible and unsafe, or just that its a byproduct of using C++. Yes. It's both terrible because it's C++, and it's terrible because they're not following the modern C++ safe coding practices. > They've been rewriting parts in rust: https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/blob/8f0a1b19114 https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/blob/8f0a1b19114.... And it's not going to amount to anything major. Rewriting in Rust properly requires architecting things from the beginning. > No they don't. For a long time, their policy had been "no third-party code". Eventually it became untenable, so they started using third-party libraries. But they still ended up reinventing the wheel at least several times.

xgulfie 24d ago

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nickthegreek 24d ago
that’s a bold statement, and my googling has not returned results that verify this claim. can you provide any context?
- xgulfie 24d ago
  Here's a fun example https://archive.is/ZtQpj https://archive.is/ZtQpj Another funny moment from this guy https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814#issuecomment-830793992 https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814#issuecommen...
  - xgulfie 24d ago
    Sorry everyone on "hacker" "news" I cannot provably see into a strangers heart of hearts in a way that would satisfy you
    - happytoexplain 24d ago
      I don't follow, especially since this is a reply to your own post. Can you clarify?
      - leephillips 24d ago
        It’s an expression of frustration at being expected to supply evidence after accusing someone of racism.
        nickthegreek 24d ago
        Here at HN, we regularly expect evidence of lesser known claims. It’s actually a pretty cool way to form understanding based on reality. My original post was openminded, and stated that I tried to learn more about what your post on my own to not waste your time. When I could bot find discourse or articles about your statement, I asked for a source. That is a natural and valid thing to have happen. If there is basically no validation of your strong statements, maybe think about what you post and what it’s adding to the discourse.

strenholme 24d ago

I will believe it when I see it. Still no public release.

kiney 24d ago
the source is public, you can just compile it