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> Apple alleges that Liu ran a simulation in March using the circuit schematic file in LTspice, an electrical engineering tool. In messages from around that tim
by pluc 25d ago
> Apple alleges that Liu ran a simulation in March using the circuit schematic file in LTspice, an electrical engineering tool. In messages from around that time, Liu said his AI “agent” learned to run LTspice and review the results.
"I didn't steal it, I fed it to an agent who then fed it back to me".
> Apple argues that when trade secret information is fed into an AI agent or model that learns from it, that learning “may create irreversible and continually propagating uses of the trade secret.
Ok I'm hooked
- outside1234 25d agoLet's do intellectual property from books next!
- elonfboy 25d agolol oh no the plagiarism machine got plagiarized!
- jayde2767 25d agoHas anyone seen Pandora? I want to have a look inside that box she's been carrying around...it's time we start suing the pants off this "generative" stuff...
- mabini 25d ago[dead]
- outside1234 25d agoApple is essentially arguing that once an LLM system is tainted with IP that the whole system is tainted... <gets out popcorn>
- tw600040 25d agois it not?
- Xirdus 25d agoObviously it is. Just like when you give a monkey a camera and it takes a selfie, the photo is obviously yours. But the legal system doesn't care about obviousness.
- znpy 25d agoI wonder how they trained siri
- mabini 25d ago[dead]
- tw600040 25d agodefinitely not by someone asking it about circuit schematics
- petcat 25d agoI thought Siri was just Google Gemini
- ted_dunning 25d agoIt's not nearly that simple. Apple used Google frontier models in training Siri, but Siri is not just a pass-through to Gemini.
- pjc50 25d agoIn IP law, the party with the most money wins.
- eviks 24d agoHasn't the book dust already (been) settled in court?
- newtonapple 25d agoI'm not arguing for either side, but here's a fun thought experiment I've been thinking about a lot lately. If I learned things at one company, took my experience and memory to another company, and applied what I had learned there, am I technically stealing that company's secrets? What if I trained a team of agents to think and code like me at work, then exported those agentic skills and took them with me to another company? At what point would they still be considered the old company's property? Let's say I didn't take any code or proprietary information from the old company, just the coding style and best practices my agents learned from the old company's live metrics. Is that considered stealing from the company? Is that any different from me learning those patterns and skills personally and then reapplying them elsewhere?
- nkrisc 25d agoThe difference is you’re a human with the right to self.
- modeless 25d ago> If I learned things at one company, took my experience and memory to another company, and applied what I had learned there, am I technically stealing that company's secrets? The fact that California allows this to happen (banning non-competes and rejecting "inevitable disclosure") is exactly why Silicon Valley started here and remains here. It's exactly why ex-OpenAI people could start Anthropic. It's why neither OpenAI nor Anthropic have a monopoly on AI today. It's great both for employees and for the general public.
- pjmlp 22d agoNo need to single out SV, non compete clauses are pretty much an American concept, hardly used in the rest of the world. On my 50s and never saw one of those, that could be legally enforced anyway.
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- qingcharles 25d agoLeopard ate my face.