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You are making claims for why you think the emissions are worth it but I don't see how this makes concerns about emissions invalid. Even water usage, while blow

You are making claims for why you think the emissions are worth it but I don't see how this makes concerns about emissions invalid. Even water usage, while blown out of proportion, can be a rational concern if you have a fossil fuel power station. You can just flip this around and ask why is slowing down AI to control emissions harmful? What numbers that don't make tail risk claims are you providing for this?

simianwords 1mo ago
wait, please stick to the argument. Why is increasing emissions bad while considering tradeoffs? >You can just flip this around and ask why is slowing down AI to control emissions harmful? What numbers that don't make tail risk claims are you providing for this? Slowing down reduces the value it provides to humans, that's clear to me and you I hope.
- cccbbbaaa 1mo ago
  Our current emissions level is causing climate change.
  - simianwords 1mo ago
    Ok so you are against any type of action whatsoever? No matter how useful it is?
    - cccbbbaaa 1mo ago
      If they are strictly increasing our already unsustainable emissions level, yes. Eg. I am very much in favour of replacing coal and gas power stations with nuclear power stations, banning cars from city centres, etc.
      - simianwords 1mo ago
        why do you think it is unsustainable?
        cccbbbaaa 29d ago
        Refer to my first comment.
- jplusequalt 1mo ago
  >Why is increasing emissions bad while considering tradeoffs? Because climate change stands to be the biggest market failure in history. You need to show that the rapid scale out of data centers is going to reasonably offset the current trajectory we're on.
  - simianwords 1mo ago
    > Because climate change stands to be the biggest market failure in history Proof?
    - jplusequalt 1mo ago
      “Climate change presents a unique challenge for economics: it is the greatest and widest-ranging market failure ever seen.” -- Nicholas Stern, Leading climate economist; former World Bank chief economist. “The ultimate commons problem of the twenty-first century—global climate change.” -- Robert Stavins, Harvard environmental economist and climate-policy expert. “Climate change, an externality that is unprecedentedly large, complex, and uncertain.” -- Richard Tol, Prominent economist specializing in climate-change impacts. “Climate change is a global public-goods externality whose formal resolution requires an unprecedented degree of international cooperation and coordination.” -- Martin Weitzman, Harvard economist; pioneering scholar of climate risk. “Climate change is the Colossus of all global public goods.” -- William Nordhaus, Nobel laureate and pioneer of climate economics. “The problem with climate change is that there’s a market failure.” -- Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel laureate and former World Bank chief economist.

simianwords 1mo ago

wait, please stick to the argument. Why is increasing emissions bad while considering tradeoffs? >You can just flip this around and ask why is slowing down AI to control emissions harmful? What numbers that don't make tail risk claims are you providing for this? Slowing down reduces the value it provides to humans, that's clear to me and you I hope.

cccbbbaaa 1mo ago
Our current emissions level is causing climate change.
- simianwords 1mo ago
  Ok so you are against any type of action whatsoever? No matter how useful it is?
  - cccbbbaaa 1mo ago
    If they are strictly increasing our already unsustainable emissions level, yes. Eg. I am very much in favour of replacing coal and gas power stations with nuclear power stations, banning cars from city centres, etc.
    - simianwords 1mo ago
      why do you think it is unsustainable?
      - cccbbbaaa 29d ago
        Refer to my first comment.
jplusequalt 1mo ago
>Why is increasing emissions bad while considering tradeoffs? Because climate change stands to be the biggest market failure in history. You need to show that the rapid scale out of data centers is going to reasonably offset the current trajectory we're on.
- simianwords 1mo ago
  > Because climate change stands to be the biggest market failure in history Proof?
  - jplusequalt 1mo ago
    “Climate change presents a unique challenge for economics: it is the greatest and widest-ranging market failure ever seen.” -- Nicholas Stern, Leading climate economist; former World Bank chief economist. “The ultimate commons problem of the twenty-first century—global climate change.” -- Robert Stavins, Harvard environmental economist and climate-policy expert. “Climate change, an externality that is unprecedentedly large, complex, and uncertain.” -- Richard Tol, Prominent economist specializing in climate-change impacts. “Climate change is a global public-goods externality whose formal resolution requires an unprecedented degree of international cooperation and coordination.” -- Martin Weitzman, Harvard economist; pioneering scholar of climate risk. “Climate change is the Colossus of all global public goods.” -- William Nordhaus, Nobel laureate and pioneer of climate economics. “The problem with climate change is that there’s a market failure.” -- Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel laureate and former World Bank chief economist.