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> Cool, you're demonstrating that you have no understanding of the issue. How so? You're talking about trips within New York City (Brooklyn, Queens, and State

> Cool, you're demonstrating that you have no understanding of the issue. How so? You're talking about trips within New York City (Brooklyn, Queens, and Staten Island are part of New York City) or out of New York City. These are not river-crossings INTO New York City. > Westside of Manhattan around the tunnel crossings is now just as much of a shitshow as it was This is just objectively not true. https://www.congestion-pricing-tracker.com/ https://www.congestion-pricing-tracker.com/ > You'll feel differently when you get a $25 fine + $50 contractor fee when you drive through a 20mph school zone in the middle of August in some random town. ... why would I feel differently once getting penalized for breaking the law? I want every person who speeds through my child's school zone to get ticketed. If I'm the one doing the speeding, I should get ticketed.

Spooky23 2mo ago
> You're talking about trips within New York City (Brooklyn, Queens, and Staten Island are part of New York City) or out of New York City. People of Long Island, which is not part of NYC, go to great lengths to avoid tolls to the mainland. You only need a few thousand cars to make a huge impact. That's the congestion that was eliminated. You can, and people do, the same from Westchester north. There is no free route from New Jersey. > This is just objectively not true. https://www.congestion-pricing-tracker.com/ https://www.congestion-pricing-tracker.com/ Compare your data, to what I said, not to what you are upset about. It's still a shitshow, just a shorter wait. The routes used to avoid river tolls from Long Island (Brooklyn, Manhattan, Williamsburg, Queenboro Bridges) dropped. Crosstown traffic dropped. FDR Drive, Battery tunnel, Queens Midtown Tunnel remained the same or marginally dropped.
- estearum 2mo ago
  So am I understanding that we need to add more tolls and set them higher? Fine by me!

Spooky23 2mo ago

> You're talking about trips within New York City (Brooklyn, Queens, and Staten Island are part of New York City) or out of New York City. People of Long Island, which is not part of NYC, go to great lengths to avoid tolls to the mainland. You only need a few thousand cars to make a huge impact. That's the congestion that was eliminated. You can, and people do, the same from Westchester north. There is no free route from New Jersey. > This is just objectively not true. https://www.congestion-pricing-tracker.com/ https://www.congestion-pricing-tracker.com/ Compare your data, to what I said, not to what you are upset about. It's still a shitshow, just a shorter wait. The routes used to avoid river tolls from Long Island (Brooklyn, Manhattan, Williamsburg, Queenboro Bridges) dropped. Crosstown traffic dropped. FDR Drive, Battery tunnel, Queens Midtown Tunnel remained the same or marginally dropped.

estearum 2mo ago
So am I understanding that we need to add more tolls and set them higher? Fine by me!