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> So the "trap door" here is just that you can't buy a phone and immediately start loading apps I'm sorry, I thought I owned the phone I bought, and had a righ

> So the "trap door" here is just that you can't buy a phone and immediately start loading apps I'm sorry, I thought I owned the phone I bought, and had a right to decide what software I want on it whenever I want.

forshaper 1mo ago
It's still surprising to me how fast we lost ownership norms, and most seem satisfied with renting the right to be a sort of peasant.
- NetMageSCW 1mo ago
  Unless you own your own cell carrier and built towers across your country, you can’t own a phone.
  - orangecat 1mo ago
    Sure you can, the same way you can own a lamp without owning the power plant.
  - shiandow 1mo ago
    If you don't lay down your own roads you can't own a bike.
- einpoklum 1mo ago
  About that... you might be interested that private property ownership in general is the result of similar kinds of onerous and exploitative processes. Anthropologists and historians have done a bunch of research on this for a while, and one of the interesting narrative texts about this is Engels' Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State (based on Lewis Herny Morgan's work) https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/ https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-fami...
dataflow 1mo ago
I agree wholeheartedly, but you can already unlock and root your phone and install whatever you want. This is not that battle. Mind you, I don't like either of these, but they're very different in nature.
- brainwad 1mo ago
  And if I want to run the stock OS I paid for, with apps of my choice? It feels like a bait and switch to lock down the OS like this after you've sold the device.
  - dataflow 1mo ago
    This is the stock OS you paid for. It's beholden to Google and subject to their updates as it always was. You can either flash a different OS entirely, or even break their ability to update it before the change rolls out, if that's what you want. What I think you really want is to pick and choose what updates you get, which I would love too, but that's neither here nor there.

forshaper 1mo ago

It's still surprising to me how fast we lost ownership norms, and most seem satisfied with renting the right to be a sort of peasant.

NetMageSCW 1mo ago
Unless you own your own cell carrier and built towers across your country, you can’t own a phone.
- orangecat 1mo ago
  Sure you can, the same way you can own a lamp without owning the power plant.
- shiandow 1mo ago
  If you don't lay down your own roads you can't own a bike.
einpoklum 1mo ago
About that... you might be interested that private property ownership in general is the result of similar kinds of onerous and exploitative processes. Anthropologists and historians have done a bunch of research on this for a while, and one of the interesting narrative texts about this is Engels' Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State (based on Lewis Herny Morgan's work) https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/ https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-fami...

dataflow 1mo ago

I agree wholeheartedly, but you can already unlock and root your phone and install whatever you want. This is not that battle. Mind you, I don't like either of these, but they're very different in nature.

brainwad 1mo ago
And if I want to run the stock OS I paid for, with apps of my choice? It feels like a bait and switch to lock down the OS like this after you've sold the device.
- dataflow 1mo ago
  This is the stock OS you paid for. It's beholden to Google and subject to their updates as it always was. You can either flash a different OS entirely, or even break their ability to update it before the change rolls out, if that's what you want. What I think you really want is to pick and choose what updates you get, which I would love too, but that's neither here nor there.