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if copyrigth is abolished. amazon would publish every single boon without giving a cent to writers. it would be reqlly hard for writers to make a living. Im no

if copyrigth is abolished. amazon would publish every single boon without giving a cent to writers. it would be reqlly hard for writers to make a living. Im not a fan of copyrigth and how is being used at the moment but I don't really see an alternative where writers still get paid.

swed420 1mo ago
> if copyrigth is abolished. amazon would publish every single boon without giving a cent to writers. it would be reqlly hard for writers to make a living. How about a unified social platform that allows people to donate to the authors/artists/creators/projects of their choosing? It could allow feedback similar to goodreads, and also be more longterm focused than the traditional kickstarter, etc. The social aspect would give people a pat on the back for sending money somewhere.
- HWR_14 1mo ago
  We could do that with all kinds of IP! Use a feature in software or in a Meta app, just donate to the minimum amount wage (for legal reasons) workers who developed it. And Meta and Google themselves could be forbidden to show ads, just rely on donations as well.
  - swed420 1mo ago
    I sense sarcasm, but anybody serious about fixing corporate social media should read this: https://www.noemamag.com/the-last-days-of-social-media/ https://www.noemamag.com/the-last-days-of-social-media/ I guess my idea would easily fit into what that article proposes for a solution.
criddell 1mo ago
Maybe the strategy is to try to build up some steam behind the abolish copyright movement to move the Overton window a bit. If IP owners see actual support behind abolishing copyright, maybe rolling back to min(30, life of author) years of protection would seem like a more reasonable compromise.
- Aerroon 1mo ago
  I thought that was always the point. A world without any copyright at all obviously doesn't function.
- drdexebtjl 1mo ago
  min(30, life of author) kinda makes a perverse incentive to kill the author, no?
  - criddell 1mo ago
    I have term life insurance that provides the same incentive and I'm not particularly worried.
simonuv 1mo ago
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bobajeff 1mo ago
Is it not hard for writers to make a living? If so maybe I should do that.
- fjfkkskdngnf 1mo ago
  Some professions should be hard to make a living in. Copyright is objectively immoral, you don’t need to go political to realise that.
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croon 1mo ago
If it were to happen I don't think Amazon would sell any books to begin with. And even under the current system, I only buy books to pay writers, and even then they only get very little of the amount I pay. I'd much rather pay them directly through whatever system evolves through the hypothetical change. They're not paid because access to books is limited by copyright, but because whatever eyeballs they manage to reach are willing to buy their books. I may not be a representative sample, but I think that part wouldn't change much, and discoverability would still be the deciding factor. I hate the attention economy as much as the next person, but I don't think there's any putting that back in the bottle, the amount of media won't shrink.
armchairhacker 1mo ago
As opposed to today, where big companies never steal from writers, and it’s not very hard for them to make a living? (Not books, but Amazon has ripped off indie products before: https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/amazon-copied-products-rigged-search-results-promote-its-own-brands-documents-2021-10-13/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/amazon-copied-produ..., and books are being ripped off by other companies’ LLMs.)
naasking 1mo ago
> amazon would publish every single boon without giving a cent to writers. it would be reqlly hard for writers to make a living. Not quite, Amazon would just become the publisher that buys new books/articles/whatever directly from the writers, one upfront fee. Not saying it's a sustainable living for writers, just saying that's probably what would happen.

swed420 1mo ago

> if copyrigth is abolished. amazon would publish every single boon without giving a cent to writers. it would be reqlly hard for writers to make a living. How about a unified social platform that allows people to donate to the authors/artists/creators/projects of their choosing? It could allow feedback similar to goodreads, and also be more longterm focused than the traditional kickstarter, etc. The social aspect would give people a pat on the back for sending money somewhere.

HWR_14 1mo ago
We could do that with all kinds of IP! Use a feature in software or in a Meta app, just donate to the minimum amount wage (for legal reasons) workers who developed it. And Meta and Google themselves could be forbidden to show ads, just rely on donations as well.
- swed420 1mo ago
  I sense sarcasm, but anybody serious about fixing corporate social media should read this: https://www.noemamag.com/the-last-days-of-social-media/ https://www.noemamag.com/the-last-days-of-social-media/ I guess my idea would easily fit into what that article proposes for a solution.

criddell 1mo ago

Maybe the strategy is to try to build up some steam behind the abolish copyright movement to move the Overton window a bit. If IP owners see actual support behind abolishing copyright, maybe rolling back to min(30, life of author) years of protection would seem like a more reasonable compromise.

Aerroon 1mo ago
I thought that was always the point. A world without any copyright at all obviously doesn't function.
drdexebtjl 1mo ago
min(30, life of author) kinda makes a perverse incentive to kill the author, no?
- criddell 1mo ago
  I have term life insurance that provides the same incentive and I'm not particularly worried.

simonuv 1mo ago

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bobajeff 1mo ago

Is it not hard for writers to make a living? If so maybe I should do that.

fjfkkskdngnf 1mo ago
Some professions should be hard to make a living in. Copyright is objectively immoral, you don’t need to go political to realise that.

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croon 1mo ago

If it were to happen I don't think Amazon would sell any books to begin with. And even under the current system, I only buy books to pay writers, and even then they only get very little of the amount I pay. I'd much rather pay them directly through whatever system evolves through the hypothetical change. They're not paid because access to books is limited by copyright, but because whatever eyeballs they manage to reach are willing to buy their books. I may not be a representative sample, but I think that part wouldn't change much, and discoverability would still be the deciding factor. I hate the attention economy as much as the next person, but I don't think there's any putting that back in the bottle, the amount of media won't shrink.

armchairhacker 1mo ago

As opposed to today, where big companies never steal from writers, and it’s not very hard for them to make a living? (Not books, but Amazon has ripped off indie products before: https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/amazon-copied-products-rigged-search-results-promote-its-own-brands-documents-2021-10-13/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/amazon-copied-produ..., and books are being ripped off by other companies’ LLMs.)

naasking 1mo ago

> amazon would publish every single boon without giving a cent to writers. it would be reqlly hard for writers to make a living. Not quite, Amazon would just become the publisher that buys new books/articles/whatever directly from the writers, one upfront fee. Not saying it's a sustainable living for writers, just saying that's probably what would happen.