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Generally agree with your assessment, but in the case of Guam or other more remote installations if there were catastrophic issues we'd just airlift food in. Co

by ericmay 1mo ago

Generally agree with your assessment, but in the case of Guam or other more remote installations if there were catastrophic issues we'd just airlift food in. Costly but certainly manageable. Hawaii I'm not sure why that would be an issue unless the whole island was attacked or shut down. Even if the on-base shops were hacked you could just go shop at Wal-Mart or Costco or any number of other locations on the islands. If there was an extended issue then the commander could authorize meal stipends as they do for some units today and then you would just go buy food off-base. Ideal? No. Manageable? Very much.

scheme271 1mo ago
More to the point for Guam and similar locations, canned and non-perishable food can are probably around and more can be airlifted in to get people through it. It was pretty much the standard back in the day.
- avs733 1mo ago
  The diet in Guam is already heavily dependent on shelf stable foods. I know this from personal experience but theres a surprising (to me) amount of research on it as well (c.v., https://www.guampedia.com/health-consequences-of-modern-diets-on-guam/ https://www.guampedia.com/health-consequences-of-modern-diet...). However, it is worth noting that food on a military installation =/= food nearby, for many obvious and non obsvious reasons.
cyanydeez 1mo ago
With the current admin, assumptions about capabilities are just wrong. One of the reasons for consitency above all else is to use the power of history. Ahistorical is now the defacto standard. All asdumptions about America power are toilet paper.
- ericmay 1mo ago
  For this to be true it would also mean that assumptions about capabilities in a negative light are also wrong. If one were to say the US is extremely weak, that would be an assumption about a capability that is now by your decree also just wrong. In other words, this comment is rather meaningless when read plainly - I mean that factually, not as an insult.
  - cyanydeez 1mo ago
    sure. stop generating.
nwatson 1mo ago
Did they airlift better supplies to a floating aircraft carrier somewhere in the northern Indian Ocean recently? No.
- ericmay 1mo ago
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- nkrisc 1mo ago
  Surely airlifting supplies to a carrier in a war zone is not totally comparable to airlifting supplies to a base in a US territory?
  - ceejayoz 1mo ago
    There was supposed to be a base there. The Fifth Fleet base in Bahrain got flattened.
    - wongarsu 1mo ago
      That explains why resupply doesn't work as well as in peace time But at the same time, it's not like that came out of nowhere. If you attack a country, that country shooting back at any military installations in missile range has to be one of the expected outcomes. Given the US had all the initiative in starting the conflict I would have hoped there was a logistics plan that involved not relying on those bases to continue to exist
      - mulmen 1mo ago
        > Given the US had all the initiative in starting the conflict I would have hoped there was a logistics plan that involved not relying on those bases to continue to exist. Anyone with the capability to plan for the Iran war never would have started it because the costs would have been obvious. In other words the only way to start a war with Iran is to have no plan for it.
        1mo ago
CobaltFire 1mo ago
I didn't mean to imply that this would hit Hawai'i as hard as Guam, just that it would be one of the more effective places to hit with a DeCA supply chain attack.
0xWTF 1mo ago
Guam freezers and chillers were offline several times the years when I was there. You just didn't get milk, butter, eggs, ice cream, meat, etc those weeks.
- CobaltFire 1mo ago
  Can't recall them going offline island wide when I was there (given there are two on not quite opposite sides of the island). I do recall one having downtime when the other was up and having to deal with that.
- jamiek88 1mo ago
  When were you there?
sjducb 1mo ago
Manageable during peacetime. In a war with another major power resources would be stretched thin and depriving bases of food would reduce combat effectiveness.
- ericmay 1mo ago
  Sure but that won't happen in Guam or Hawaii. Guam would be evacuated first. Also these same things apply to any other major power (perhaps more so) who would also see their resources stretched then and their bases deprived of food to reduce combat effectiveness.

by ericmay 1mo ago

scheme271 1mo ago

More to the point for Guam and similar locations, canned and non-perishable food can are probably around and more can be airlifted in to get people through it. It was pretty much the standard back in the day.

avs733 1mo ago
The diet in Guam is already heavily dependent on shelf stable foods. I know this from personal experience but theres a surprising (to me) amount of research on it as well (c.v., https://www.guampedia.com/health-consequences-of-modern-diets-on-guam/ https://www.guampedia.com/health-consequences-of-modern-diet...). However, it is worth noting that food on a military installation =/= food nearby, for many obvious and non obsvious reasons.

cyanydeez 1mo ago

With the current admin, assumptions about capabilities are just wrong. One of the reasons for consitency above all else is to use the power of history. Ahistorical is now the defacto standard. All asdumptions about America power are toilet paper.

ericmay 1mo ago
For this to be true it would also mean that assumptions about capabilities in a negative light are also wrong. If one were to say the US is extremely weak, that would be an assumption about a capability that is now by your decree also just wrong. In other words, this comment is rather meaningless when read plainly - I mean that factually, not as an insult.
- cyanydeez 1mo ago
  sure. stop generating.

nwatson 1mo ago

Did they airlift better supplies to a floating aircraft carrier somewhere in the northern Indian Ocean recently? No.

ericmay 1mo ago
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nkrisc 1mo ago
Surely airlifting supplies to a carrier in a war zone is not totally comparable to airlifting supplies to a base in a US territory?
- ceejayoz 1mo ago
  There was supposed to be a base there. The Fifth Fleet base in Bahrain got flattened.
  - wongarsu 1mo ago
    That explains why resupply doesn't work as well as in peace time But at the same time, it's not like that came out of nowhere. If you attack a country, that country shooting back at any military installations in missile range has to be one of the expected outcomes. Given the US had all the initiative in starting the conflict I would have hoped there was a logistics plan that involved not relying on those bases to continue to exist
    - mulmen 1mo ago
      > Given the US had all the initiative in starting the conflict I would have hoped there was a logistics plan that involved not relying on those bases to continue to exist. Anyone with the capability to plan for the Iran war never would have started it because the costs would have been obvious. In other words the only way to start a war with Iran is to have no plan for it.
      - 1mo ago

CobaltFire 1mo ago

I didn't mean to imply that this would hit Hawai'i as hard as Guam, just that it would be one of the more effective places to hit with a DeCA supply chain attack.

0xWTF 1mo ago

Guam freezers and chillers were offline several times the years when I was there. You just didn't get milk, butter, eggs, ice cream, meat, etc those weeks.

CobaltFire 1mo ago
Can't recall them going offline island wide when I was there (given there are two on not quite opposite sides of the island). I do recall one having downtime when the other was up and having to deal with that.
jamiek88 1mo ago
When were you there?

sjducb 1mo ago

Manageable during peacetime. In a war with another major power resources would be stretched thin and depriving bases of food would reduce combat effectiveness.

ericmay 1mo ago
Sure but that won't happen in Guam or Hawaii. Guam would be evacuated first. Also these same things apply to any other major power (perhaps more so) who would also see their resources stretched then and their bases deprived of food to reduce combat effectiveness.