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Don't worry about it, Apache is the hospice where software projects go to die.

skeeter2020 1mo ago
What a crock of shite. Of course there's going to be some dead one when you have this many, but there are also projects that are foundational and many exciting new ones too: https://projects.apache.org/projects.html https://projects.apache.org/projects.html
- mrits 1mo ago
  I didn't agree with it but still laughed
- Thaxll 1mo ago
  That UI though... is it powered by Java?
0x457 1mo ago
There are roughly 400 projects on that page; about 90 are in the attic, meaning formally retired. Another 25 are incubating, and some of those look like they’re already dead; nobody has checked the pulse and filled out the paperwork yet. A huge chunk of Apache is Java libraries. Some projects are just academia doing academia things; they graduate, the original people move on, and the project dies. Others are corporate donations, including the occasional “we don’t want to play with this anymore; maybe Apache can keep it alive” project. That being said, the incubator graduation rate is still roughly 75–80%. How useful or alive those graduates are five or ten years later is a different question. Saying Apache is where software go to die is just wrong.
- otabdeveloper4 1mo ago
  > Saying Apache is where software go to die is just wrong. ...and yet you proceeded to list all the ways that dead projects are being kept undead by Apache? I'm getting conflicting vibes here from your post.
  - 0x457 1mo ago
    Yeah, the incubation projects. Do you not understand the difference between an incubation project and a TLP? No conflicting vibes: 80% of projects survive the incubation, become TLP, and live a long life. How is that a hospice? I only listed one way the undead project kept undead - "nobody has checked the pulse and filled out the paperwork yet." That was about _some_ of the 25 projects out of 400 projects. As for academia projects - some of them survive. There is only one category that has a high mortality rate in Apache: government-donated projects.

skeeter2020 1mo ago

What a crock of shite. Of course there's going to be some dead one when you have this many, but there are also projects that are foundational and many exciting new ones too: https://projects.apache.org/projects.html https://projects.apache.org/projects.html

mrits 1mo ago
I didn't agree with it but still laughed
Thaxll 1mo ago
That UI though... is it powered by Java?

0x457 1mo ago

There are roughly 400 projects on that page; about 90 are in the attic, meaning formally retired. Another 25 are incubating, and some of those look like they’re already dead; nobody has checked the pulse and filled out the paperwork yet. A huge chunk of Apache is Java libraries. Some projects are just academia doing academia things; they graduate, the original people move on, and the project dies. Others are corporate donations, including the occasional “we don’t want to play with this anymore; maybe Apache can keep it alive” project. That being said, the incubator graduation rate is still roughly 75–80%. How useful or alive those graduates are five or ten years later is a different question. Saying Apache is where software go to die is just wrong.

otabdeveloper4 1mo ago
> Saying Apache is where software go to die is just wrong. ...and yet you proceeded to list all the ways that dead projects are being kept undead by Apache? I'm getting conflicting vibes here from your post.
- 0x457 1mo ago
  Yeah, the incubation projects. Do you not understand the difference between an incubation project and a TLP? No conflicting vibes: 80% of projects survive the incubation, become TLP, and live a long life. How is that a hospice? I only listed one way the undead project kept undead - "nobody has checked the pulse and filled out the paperwork yet." That was about _some_ of the 25 projects out of 400 projects. As for academia projects - some of them survive. There is only one category that has a high mortality rate in Apache: government-donated projects.