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> Never mind that I come from a Windows and Linux background, to OS X about three years ago, right? I think that a lot of people are willing to put up with th

> Never mind that I come from a Windows and Linux background, to OS X about three years ago, right? I think that a lot of people are willing to put up with the transition to OS X because of the RDF and the iPod/iPhone halo effect, but the transition away has no such phenomenon to motivate people to use a platform long enough to get used to the differences. However, this is just a general observation. > I have no interest in putting up with sharp bits and pointy edges in Unity or GNOME 3 or KDE 4 Meh, I find that the "sharp bits" are no more sharp than those in OS X. No platform can be perfect for any given user, since we all have different preferences. The closest you can get is with a highly-customizable tiling window manager, but anything like OS X, Windows or KDE wouldn't work like this. > The T-series Lenovos are massive, heavy, lack Retina displays, and aren't nearly as aesthetically pleasing as the Carbon X1 is. Would never buy. You clearly are not up-to-date on this. Have you seen the T430u? It weighs less than the rMBP 15", has discrete graphics, and has similar aesthetic stylings to the X1 Carbon. The optical drive has been omitted, for example. > for my money, retina support is just not optional anymore FWIW, I've found it to be half-baked when a lot of software and most websites don't support it yet. Browsing the web on a retina display is rather jarring. Moreover, when I regularly use external displays at my desk, switching back and forth would be quite jarring as well.

Bogdanp 14y ago
> Browsing the web on a retina display is rather jarring. I would like to preface this by saying that I couldn't give a rat's ass about the rest of the arguments but in this case I just have to chime in since the quoted bit is just bullshit. The only difference between browsing the web on a retina display and browsing it on a normal screen is that, on a retina display, the font rendering is a million times better. That's it. But that is enough to make me not want to look at any other type of display again. It is true that some applications do not have retina support (I'm looking at you, Firefox) but that support will come with time and all of the applications that I use on a daily basis look great.
- mitchty 14y ago
  Firefox 18 beta supports retina finally. Think its January release date or so. Also 1000% this, high dpi, retina, whatever you want to call it rendering is so much better than non I've asked my bosses if I can buy a macbook pro to use for work. I work with text all day, this screen is so markedly better for text its not funny. Jarring? Not in the least, Jarring is using other displays after this. Call me a fanboy if you want, but when my eyes don't fatigue from extended reading sessions, I think I'll take the fanboy label.
- w1ntermute 14y ago
  > I would like to preface this by saying that I couldn't give a rat's ass about the rest of the arguments but in this case I just have to chime in since the quoted bit is just bullshit. The only difference between browsing the web on a retina display and browsing it on a normal screen is that, on a retina display, the font rendering is a million times better. Actually, this is what's bullshit. Having used a retina MBP, viewing websites without retina images looks very jarring, especially when the browser itself has retina assets.
eropple 14y ago
Have you seen the T430u? I had not, actually, and thank you for pointing me at it--I'd seen the T430, but not the u variant. That's much more like it. I dig that. If it could run OS X I'd be all over that. =)
- tedunangst 14y ago
  The T430u has the worst screen of any T series.
  - eropple 14y ago
    (And now my hopes are dashed...)
ricardobeat 14y ago
What about people who transitioned to OS X before any iOS devices? Are they sadists? That's empty rhetoric. You're just projecting your ideas. OSX is way more pleasant to use than any linux distro. The design-by-committee that happens on most distros doesn't give the best results. There are plenty of TWMs for OSX if you want it: divvy, sizeup, tyler wm, etc. > Browsing the web on a retina display is rather jarring It's exactly the same as browsing on a non-retina display. As in physically exactly.
- w1ntermute 14y ago
  > What about people who transitioned to OS X before any iOS devices? Are they sadists? That's empty rhetoric. You're just projecting your ideas. Next time, take a second to restrain yourself from hastily typing out a polemic and hitting reply, so that you can reread the post you're replying to. I also mentioned the iPod, which has been around since 2001 and has also played a significant role in the increase in popularity of Macs. > OSX is way more pleasant to use than any linux distro. The design-by-committee that happens on most distros doesn't give the best results. From this, it sounds like you're the one projecting your ideas, actually. > There are plenty of TWMs for OSX if you want it: divvy, sizeup, tyler wm, etc. Most tiling window managers for OS X don't give you the level of control necessary to make them actually worth it. Sure, some keyboard shortcuts are nice, but that's not the real point. > It's exactly the same as browsing on a non-retina display. As in physically exactly. Uh, if it were "physically exactly" the same, then what would be the point of getting a retina display?
  - catch23 14y ago
    Trackpads on "other" laptops are also pretty bad. I wish there was a non-apple laptop with a trackpad at least as good as the ones on the macbooks. It's like comparing iphone's touchscreen with any android phone. All phones pre-jellybean had a touchscreen that just didn't compare to the iphone.
    - w1ntermute 14y ago
      The ThinkPad X1 Carbon has a trackpad of quality equivalent to the MacBooks, just look at reviews online. Plus you get the TrackPoint, which is much more efficient once you get past the learning curve.
tedunangst 14y ago
Comparing the 1366x768 T430u to the rMBP is pretty hysterical. But hey, screens are screens, right?

Bogdanp 14y ago

> Browsing the web on a retina display is rather jarring. I would like to preface this by saying that I couldn't give a rat's ass about the rest of the arguments but in this case I just have to chime in since the quoted bit is just bullshit. The only difference between browsing the web on a retina display and browsing it on a normal screen is that, on a retina display, the font rendering is a million times better. That's it. But that is enough to make me not want to look at any other type of display again. It is true that some applications do not have retina support (I'm looking at you, Firefox) but that support will come with time and all of the applications that I use on a daily basis look great.

mitchty 14y ago
Firefox 18 beta supports retina finally. Think its January release date or so. Also 1000% this, high dpi, retina, whatever you want to call it rendering is so much better than non I've asked my bosses if I can buy a macbook pro to use for work. I work with text all day, this screen is so markedly better for text its not funny. Jarring? Not in the least, Jarring is using other displays after this. Call me a fanboy if you want, but when my eyes don't fatigue from extended reading sessions, I think I'll take the fanboy label.
w1ntermute 14y ago
> I would like to preface this by saying that I couldn't give a rat's ass about the rest of the arguments but in this case I just have to chime in since the quoted bit is just bullshit. The only difference between browsing the web on a retina display and browsing it on a normal screen is that, on a retina display, the font rendering is a million times better. Actually, this is what's bullshit. Having used a retina MBP, viewing websites without retina images looks very jarring, especially when the browser itself has retina assets.

eropple 14y ago

Have you seen the T430u? I had not, actually, and thank you for pointing me at it--I'd seen the T430, but not the u variant. That's much more like it. I dig that. If it could run OS X I'd be all over that. =)

tedunangst 14y ago
The T430u has the worst screen of any T series.
- eropple 14y ago
  (And now my hopes are dashed...)

ricardobeat 14y ago

What about people who transitioned to OS X before any iOS devices? Are they sadists? That's empty rhetoric. You're just projecting your ideas. OSX is way more pleasant to use than any linux distro. The design-by-committee that happens on most distros doesn't give the best results. There are plenty of TWMs for OSX if you want it: divvy, sizeup, tyler wm, etc. > Browsing the web on a retina display is rather jarring It's exactly the same as browsing on a non-retina display. As in physically exactly.

w1ntermute 14y ago
> What about people who transitioned to OS X before any iOS devices? Are they sadists? That's empty rhetoric. You're just projecting your ideas. Next time, take a second to restrain yourself from hastily typing out a polemic and hitting reply, so that you can reread the post you're replying to. I also mentioned the iPod, which has been around since 2001 and has also played a significant role in the increase in popularity of Macs. > OSX is way more pleasant to use than any linux distro. The design-by-committee that happens on most distros doesn't give the best results. From this, it sounds like you're the one projecting your ideas, actually. > There are plenty of TWMs for OSX if you want it: divvy, sizeup, tyler wm, etc. Most tiling window managers for OS X don't give you the level of control necessary to make them actually worth it. Sure, some keyboard shortcuts are nice, but that's not the real point. > It's exactly the same as browsing on a non-retina display. As in physically exactly. Uh, if it were "physically exactly" the same, then what would be the point of getting a retina display?
- catch23 14y ago
  Trackpads on "other" laptops are also pretty bad. I wish there was a non-apple laptop with a trackpad at least as good as the ones on the macbooks. It's like comparing iphone's touchscreen with any android phone. All phones pre-jellybean had a touchscreen that just didn't compare to the iphone.
  - w1ntermute 14y ago
    The ThinkPad X1 Carbon has a trackpad of quality equivalent to the MacBooks, just look at reviews online. Plus you get the TrackPoint, which is much more efficient once you get past the learning curve.

tedunangst 14y ago

Comparing the 1366x768 T430u to the rMBP is pretty hysterical. But hey, screens are screens, right?