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the content from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyJwr4O03Hc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyJwr4O03Hc is what made me think of this: "Dr. Donald Hoffman cha

by cs1996 1mo ago

the content from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyJwr4O03Hc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyJwr4O03Hc is what made me think of this: "Dr. Donald Hoffman challenges the traditional scientific view that physical matter and spacetime are fundamental. Instead, he argues that consciousness is the foundational reality, while spacetime acts merely as a virtual reality headset that renders objects only when we perceive them. Hoffman introduces recursive trace logic, a mathematical framework suggesting that our physical existence is a low-probability, training wheels version of a much broader, disembodied conscious network."

220hertz 1mo ago
I thoroughly enjoyed that. I plan to read it again later while stoned.
A_D_E_P_T 1mo ago
> Instead, he argues that consciousness is the foundational reality, while spacetime acts merely as a virtual reality headset that renders objects only when we perceive them This is called Idealism. It's a very very old idea, and a totally unsatisfying one. > https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/idealism/ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/idealism/ It is, I think, wholly unconvincing. It is at root solipsistic, and far beyond any notion of proof or validation. Saying that "consciousness is the fundamental thing" (and ignoring that there are perfectly mundane explanations for consciousness) reduces all of physics to black-box metaphysics.
- mapt 1mo ago
  You still need to reason and predict physical phenomena. You could run the world on black-box metaphysics if black-box metaphysics has math that works better. How does Platonism help us there? Not much. That's the problem. If the universe is a projection of the self, that's fine if true, that's valid if true. We want to believe in things that are true even if they violate our sense of phenomenological aesthetics. But if true, I'm gonna need you to manifest me a million dollars or interrogate your soul for the winning powerball numbers tomorrow. I'll wait.
- BartjeD 1mo ago
  Why did the people die of famine, papa? They didn't ideate food, dear. --- Very unsatisifying indeed. I've always thought of it as the human penchant for escapism. In casu trying to interpret the world so that we control it. Which brings us back to Freud and the human condition: We are born trying to control things around us, fighting against our limits and learning to live with them.

by cs1996 1mo ago

220hertz 1mo ago

I thoroughly enjoyed that. I plan to read it again later while stoned.

A_D_E_P_T 1mo ago

> Instead, he argues that consciousness is the foundational reality, while spacetime acts merely as a virtual reality headset that renders objects only when we perceive them This is called Idealism. It's a very very old idea, and a totally unsatisfying one. > https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/idealism/ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/idealism/ It is, I think, wholly unconvincing. It is at root solipsistic, and far beyond any notion of proof or validation. Saying that "consciousness is the fundamental thing" (and ignoring that there are perfectly mundane explanations for consciousness) reduces all of physics to black-box metaphysics.

mapt 1mo ago
You still need to reason and predict physical phenomena. You could run the world on black-box metaphysics if black-box metaphysics has math that works better. How does Platonism help us there? Not much. That's the problem. If the universe is a projection of the self, that's fine if true, that's valid if true. We want to believe in things that are true even if they violate our sense of phenomenological aesthetics. But if true, I'm gonna need you to manifest me a million dollars or interrogate your soul for the winning powerball numbers tomorrow. I'll wait.
BartjeD 1mo ago
Why did the people die of famine, papa? They didn't ideate food, dear. --- Very unsatisifying indeed. I've always thought of it as the human penchant for escapism. In casu trying to interpret the world so that we control it. Which brings us back to Freud and the human condition: We are born trying to control things around us, fighting against our limits and learning to live with them.