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"It's possible to just connect two computers together with Ethernet" - on the front page of hackernews. Incredible. Ethernet over USB4 interdomain protocol at l

"It's possible to just connect two computers together with Ethernet" - on the front page of hackernews. Incredible. Ethernet over USB4 interdomain protocol at least had some novelty, but this...

hdgvhicv 26d ago
HN has very little understanding of networking in general.
- inigyou 26d ago
  Programmers have very little understanding of computers, in general. They'll think hard about a beautiful unrealistic idealisation of the problem, and/or treat a software abstraction as if it's the underlying reality, e.g. (of the latter) thinking networking starts with HTTP and languages start with JavaScript.
  - abanana 26d ago
    Agreed, except IME this is "junior web developers" rather "(real) programmers" in general.
    - inigyou 26d ago
      Mel wouldn't. But Mel isn't programmers.
  - dang 26d ago
    Can you please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49512349 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49512349 and, in the future, share some of what you know instead of putting down others?
    - inigyou 26d ago
      Just read the contract from the other side! If focusing on idealistic software abstractions instead of the problem is bad, the implication is that focusing on the problem is good. If treating a software abstraction as the underlying reality is bad, the implication is that looking below it to the actual underlying reality is good.
- rcxdude 26d ago
  It does seem to be a surprisingly common blindspot of programmers in general. I strongly recommend programmers learn it, it can save a lot of headaches in system architecture.
  - jcalx 26d ago
    Any recommendations on a good path to learn this — curious if you have any personal, opinionated thoughts on this.
    - Gud 26d ago
      Buy some cheap computer, pop in a few NICs, setup a FreeBSD or OpenBSD gateway, including DNS and some other goodies. And by cheap, any $10 relic will do. You’ll find their manuals very informative.
      - chainingsolid 25d ago
        I'll add looking up the ipv4 and ipv6 specs on www.rfc-editor.org .
- dewey 26d ago
  HN has very little understanding of many things, especially if you are familiar with <specific thing>. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_Amnesia_effect https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_Amnesia_effect
- bombcar 26d ago
  Especially since most machines will just WORK with auto-assigned magic weird IPs and you'll actually be able to share files directly via the OS if you do this, no need for Linux netcat tricks at all. Now I still remember when target disk mode over ethernet was being talked about.
- dang 26d ago
  Can you please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49512349 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49512349 and, in the future, share some of what you know instead of putting down others (including the community)?
dang 26d ago
Can you please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49512349 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49512349 and, in the future, share some of what you know instead of putting down others (including the community)?

"It's possible to just connect two computers together with Ethernet" - on the front page of hackernews. Incredible. Ethernet over USB4 interdomain protocol at least had some novelty, but this...

hdgvhicv 26d ago

HN has very little understanding of networking in general.

inigyou 26d ago
Programmers have very little understanding of computers, in general. They'll think hard about a beautiful unrealistic idealisation of the problem, and/or treat a software abstraction as if it's the underlying reality, e.g. (of the latter) thinking networking starts with HTTP and languages start with JavaScript.
- abanana 26d ago
  Agreed, except IME this is "junior web developers" rather "(real) programmers" in general.
  - inigyou 26d ago
    Mel wouldn't. But Mel isn't programmers.
- dang 26d ago
  Can you please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49512349 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49512349 and, in the future, share some of what you know instead of putting down others?
  - inigyou 26d ago
    Just read the contract from the other side! If focusing on idealistic software abstractions instead of the problem is bad, the implication is that focusing on the problem is good. If treating a software abstraction as the underlying reality is bad, the implication is that looking below it to the actual underlying reality is good.
rcxdude 26d ago
It does seem to be a surprisingly common blindspot of programmers in general. I strongly recommend programmers learn it, it can save a lot of headaches in system architecture.
- jcalx 26d ago
  Any recommendations on a good path to learn this — curious if you have any personal, opinionated thoughts on this.
  - Gud 26d ago
    Buy some cheap computer, pop in a few NICs, setup a FreeBSD or OpenBSD gateway, including DNS and some other goodies. And by cheap, any $10 relic will do. You’ll find their manuals very informative.
    - chainingsolid 25d ago
      I'll add looking up the ipv4 and ipv6 specs on www.rfc-editor.org .
dewey 26d ago
HN has very little understanding of many things, especially if you are familiar with <specific thing>. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_Amnesia_effect https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_Amnesia_effect
bombcar 26d ago
Especially since most machines will just WORK with auto-assigned magic weird IPs and you'll actually be able to share files directly via the OS if you do this, no need for Linux netcat tricks at all. Now I still remember when target disk mode over ethernet was being talked about.
dang 26d ago
Can you please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49512349 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49512349 and, in the future, share some of what you know instead of putting down others (including the community)?

dang 26d ago

Can you please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49512349 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49512349 and, in the future, share some of what you know instead of putting down others (including the community)?