But... there weren't. The other "players," China included, had duck all to show for it. Did they have the same potential capabilities? Sure, maybe. It wasn't ju

But... there weren't. The other "players," China included, had duck all to show for it. Did they have the same potential capabilities? Sure, maybe. It wasn't just a profitability thing though. Their models sucked. China is being singled out in that comment because their models are exceptional, with very few competitors, so when you're talking about a history of the competition not being any good you _have_ to acknowledge one of the only good present-day models.