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Not sure that's an argument that shines good light on brexit voters.

by nannal 1mo ago

spacedcowboy 1mo ago
To be fair (a) I don't think he was trying to do that, and (b) I'm struggling to think of an argument that would shine good light on brexit voters ? Perhaps that they're wonderfully trusting people who believe whatever politicians that Gary down the pub thinks are the best ?
- tialaramex 1mo ago
  To take my mother as an example she hadn't thought about it properly at all. She was surprised that her daughter (my sister) had voted Remain because apparently my mother who knows about the EU funding which enabled what my sister did, hadn't connected "EU funding" to the EU she was voting to Leave. "Oh" was basically all she had to say about that. In the broader scheme of things you could also see this in the response of Brexiteers who were stunned that, as non members they now weren't able to travel freely across borders. Voters aren't very bright because they're people, you've met people. I used to think that FPTP was a good idea because it's so simple that "The candidate who had more votes won" means the idiots won't be confused by the outcome. We saw that they're confused anyway, so, fine, since apparently simplicity wasn't achievable we should use a more complicated voting system with better outcomes.
  - DangitBobby 1mo ago
    If voters can't understand ranked choice voting or similar, how could we possibly expect them to understand the impact of what they are voting on? It's a self-defeating argument.
    - tialaramex 1mo ago
      They don't understand FPTP. I used to assume that under FPTP More votes beats Less votes the idiots will go OK, we lost. But it became apparent that instead they go "If the person I voted for doesn't win then it's rigged" and so it doesn't matter what system we use. "We won" is the only outcome they believe is possible so since it won't matter and any other outcome will be considered "cheating", we should use a better system to pick actual outcomes.
- tim333 1mo ago
  The idea of independence wasn't ridiculous, it's just the details made it hard to make it work.
  - sscaryterry 1mo ago
    The problem is the idea was not credible.
sscaryterry 1mo ago
Brexit voters were plain gullible.
jen20 1mo ago
It’s not supposed to. There is no light that can present anybody who voted for Brexit as anything other than a fuckwit.
- whackernews 1mo ago
  Haha, so dogmatic. You reckon calling half of the UK fuckwits is a smart position? Maybe you’re the fuckwit.
  - inigyou 1mo ago
    Britain is failing because half of it are currently fuckwits.
- 1718627440 1mo ago
  Depends on whether you are referring to the Brexit that was actually implemented or any conceivable type of Brexit.

Not sure that's an argument that shines good light on brexit voters.

by nannal 1mo ago

Not sure that's an argument that shines good light on brexit voters.

To be fair (a) I don't think he was trying to do that, and (b) I'm struggling to think of an argument that would shine good light on brexit voters ? Perhaps that they're wonderfully trusting people who believe whatever politicians that Gary down the pub thinks are the best ?

tialaramex 1mo ago
To take my mother as an example she hadn't thought about it properly at all. She was surprised that her daughter (my sister) had voted Remain because apparently my mother who knows about the EU funding which enabled what my sister did, hadn't connected "EU funding" to the EU she was voting to Leave. "Oh" was basically all she had to say about that. In the broader scheme of things you could also see this in the response of Brexiteers who were stunned that, as non members they now weren't able to travel freely across borders. Voters aren't very bright because they're people, you've met people. I used to think that FPTP was a good idea because it's so simple that "The candidate who had more votes won" means the idiots won't be confused by the outcome. We saw that they're confused anyway, so, fine, since apparently simplicity wasn't achievable we should use a more complicated voting system with better outcomes.
- DangitBobby 1mo ago
  If voters can't understand ranked choice voting or similar, how could we possibly expect them to understand the impact of what they are voting on? It's a self-defeating argument.
  - tialaramex 1mo ago
    They don't understand FPTP. I used to assume that under FPTP More votes beats Less votes the idiots will go OK, we lost. But it became apparent that instead they go "If the person I voted for doesn't win then it's rigged" and so it doesn't matter what system we use. "We won" is the only outcome they believe is possible so since it won't matter and any other outcome will be considered "cheating", we should use a better system to pick actual outcomes.
tim333 1mo ago
The idea of independence wasn't ridiculous, it's just the details made it hard to make it work.
- sscaryterry 1mo ago
  The problem is the idea was not credible.

sscaryterry 1mo ago

Brexit voters were plain gullible.

jen20 1mo ago

It’s not supposed to. There is no light that can present anybody who voted for Brexit as anything other than a fuckwit.

whackernews 1mo ago
Haha, so dogmatic. You reckon calling half of the UK fuckwits is a smart position? Maybe you’re the fuckwit.
- inigyou 1mo ago
  Britain is failing because half of it are currently fuckwits.
1718627440 1mo ago
Depends on whether you are referring to the Brexit that was actually implemented or any conceivable type of Brexit.