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> every observation is public as soon as it is processed with no embargo That's a big deal. Do you have any source for that? (I couldn't find it in the ones yo

by ghgr 1mo ago

> every observation is public as soon as it is processed with no embargo That's a big deal. Do you have any source for that? (I couldn't find it in the ones you linked). This is great for humanity as a whole, but... poor grad students who now need to rush to publish their papers even sooner.

delichon 1mo ago
Data from all of Roman’s surveys will be made public as soon as it is processed, with no periods of exclusive access. https://www.nasa.gov/missions/roman-space-telescope/nasas-roman-mission-shares-detailed-plans-to-scour-skies/ https://www.nasa.gov/missions/roman-space-telescope/nasas-ro...
- ghgr 1mo ago
  Thank you! From talking to a contact working with JWST, it sounds a bit trickier in practice. The data are public, but with Roman the idea is that you must process them on their computers rather than download everything locally, and you pay for the compute/storage you use.
  - enriquto 1mo ago
    that's horrifying! what if you want to work on the processing algorithms themselves? can't you access the raw input data?
    - WASDx 1mo ago
      If their platform allows any kind of processing as it sounds then anyone could just dump the data. So I don't see why they would not allow downloads for local processing.
      - fc417fc802 1mo ago
        Reading between the lines, I assume they aren't reasonably capable of serving up ~TB scale data to hundreds (thousands? more?) of separate clients per day. The usual fix for this would be something like an AWS requester pays bucket. To your question specifically, in such a scenario they would charge an obscene amount for the bandwidth so you would be strongly incentivized not to download hundreds of GB of data from them.
    - aragilar 1mo ago
      The questions is, how much are you willing to pay (because the cost of this is not free, especially in this cloud era), and what is the scientific return for access to the uncalibrated data? There is significantly more value in a well designed pipeline for everyone (which is where anyone who would work on the pipeline would slot in) than bespoke pipelines which are poorly built and unmaintainable.

by ghgr 1mo ago

delichon 1mo ago

Data from all of Roman’s surveys will be made public as soon as it is processed, with no periods of exclusive access. https://www.nasa.gov/missions/roman-space-telescope/nasas-roman-mission-shares-detailed-plans-to-scour-skies/ https://www.nasa.gov/missions/roman-space-telescope/nasas-ro...

ghgr 1mo ago
Thank you! From talking to a contact working with JWST, it sounds a bit trickier in practice. The data are public, but with Roman the idea is that you must process them on their computers rather than download everything locally, and you pay for the compute/storage you use.
- enriquto 1mo ago
  that's horrifying! what if you want to work on the processing algorithms themselves? can't you access the raw input data?
  - WASDx 1mo ago
    If their platform allows any kind of processing as it sounds then anyone could just dump the data. So I don't see why they would not allow downloads for local processing.
    - fc417fc802 1mo ago
      Reading between the lines, I assume they aren't reasonably capable of serving up ~TB scale data to hundreds (thousands? more?) of separate clients per day. The usual fix for this would be something like an AWS requester pays bucket. To your question specifically, in such a scenario they would charge an obscene amount for the bandwidth so you would be strongly incentivized not to download hundreds of GB of data from them.
  - aragilar 1mo ago
    The questions is, how much are you willing to pay (because the cost of this is not free, especially in this cloud era), and what is the scientific return for access to the uncalibrated data? There is significantly more value in a well designed pipeline for everyone (which is where anyone who would work on the pipeline would slot in) than bespoke pipelines which are poorly built and unmaintainable.