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Politics aside, Nobody, not even a coddled white collar criminal, deserves the documented torture, deprivation and horrible medical conditions leading to many d

by k310 1mo ago

Politics aside, Nobody, not even a coddled white collar criminal, deserves the documented torture, deprivation and horrible medical conditions leading to many deaths, of this paramilitary army, not operating under military rules of conduct, but seemingly impromptu and concealed rules and activities. Terribly wrong, and concentration camps meet the operational definition, if not the "academic" one. Torture, suffering and death don't really care who and how. They are universally wrong. People are people. Some get country club accommodations, even after conviction. Some get brutality "on ice".

pfannkuchen 1mo ago
Okay can you please justify your assertions? Where are people being tortured? ICE is pulling off fingernails and shoving glass up urethras? ICE is chopping off hands and pouring scalding water on people? What are you calling torture? How many deaths are you talking about? What horrible medical conditions are you talking about? How long are these people waiting for a flight? Are they trying to avoid being flown home while this is happening, or is there a gigantic backlog? What makes them paramilitary? Are they firebombing immigrant houses? Are they assassinating immigrant leaders? Like if you guys wanted to get these people out but you just want it to be more civil or whatever, then yeah I’m listening, but you don’t! You want them to stay! That makes your hysteria seem motivated, because you aren’t ranting about how they should stay, you are ranting about implementation details, which as far as I can tell isn’t your core concern!
- hardbass 1mo ago
  They are killing legal citizens, let alone immigrants. And happily loading up people to shithole prisons in unrelated countries like El Salvador. If you believe blackbagged in El Salvador is a pleasant experience, then as experiment I think I should kidnap you and force you there for a few months since its clearly not torture.

by k310 1mo ago

pfannkuchen 1mo ago

Okay can you please justify your assertions? Where are people being tortured? ICE is pulling off fingernails and shoving glass up urethras? ICE is chopping off hands and pouring scalding water on people? What are you calling torture? How many deaths are you talking about? What horrible medical conditions are you talking about? How long are these people waiting for a flight? Are they trying to avoid being flown home while this is happening, or is there a gigantic backlog? What makes them paramilitary? Are they firebombing immigrant houses? Are they assassinating immigrant leaders? Like if you guys wanted to get these people out but you just want it to be more civil or whatever, then yeah I’m listening, but you don’t! You want them to stay! That makes your hysteria seem motivated, because you aren’t ranting about how they should stay, you are ranting about implementation details, which as far as I can tell isn’t your core concern!

hardbass 1mo ago
They are killing legal citizens, let alone immigrants. And happily loading up people to shithole prisons in unrelated countries like El Salvador. If you believe blackbagged in El Salvador is a pleasant experience, then as experiment I think I should kidnap you and force you there for a few months since its clearly not torture.