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Isn’t this comparison actually quite offensive? It equates Jews who were perfectly allowed to be in Germany until the N’s gained power and unilaterally elimina

Isn’t this comparison actually quite offensive? It equates Jews who were perfectly allowed to be in Germany until the N’s gained power and unilaterally eliminated their status for no legitimate reason, with people who are knowingly breaking perfectly good and long standing democratically created laws. No Jew snuck into Germany, right? No Jew had the option of peaceably going back to their country of origin and refused, right? And before you say that you aren’t referring to the German camps, you know very well that this is where the power of the term “concentration camp” comes from, and that power is why you invoked it.

k310 1mo ago
Politics aside, Nobody, not even a coddled white collar criminal, deserves the documented torture, deprivation and horrible medical conditions leading to many deaths, of this paramilitary army, not operating under military rules of conduct, but seemingly impromptu and concealed rules and activities. Terribly wrong, and concentration camps meet the operational definition, if not the "academic" one. Torture, suffering and death don't really care who and how. They are universally wrong. People are people. Some get country club accommodations, even after conviction. Some get brutality "on ice".
- pfannkuchen 1mo ago
  Okay can you please justify your assertions? Where are people being tortured? ICE is pulling off fingernails and shoving glass up urethras? ICE is chopping off hands and pouring scalding water on people? What are you calling torture? How many deaths are you talking about? What horrible medical conditions are you talking about? How long are these people waiting for a flight? Are they trying to avoid being flown home while this is happening, or is there a gigantic backlog? What makes them paramilitary? Are they firebombing immigrant houses? Are they assassinating immigrant leaders? Like if you guys wanted to get these people out but you just want it to be more civil or whatever, then yeah I’m listening, but you don’t! You want them to stay! That makes your hysteria seem motivated, because you aren’t ranting about how they should stay, you are ranting about implementation details, which as far as I can tell isn’t your core concern!
  - hardbass 1mo ago
    They are killing legal citizens, let alone immigrants. And happily loading up people to shithole prisons in unrelated countries like El Salvador. If you believe blackbagged in El Salvador is a pleasant experience, then as experiment I think I should kidnap you and force you there for a few months since its clearly not torture.
JumpCrisscross 1mo ago
> It equates Jews who were perfectly allowed to be in Germany until the N’s gained power The refugees who were illegally deported had a right to be in America until they’d had due process. It’s absolutely valid to compare the two cases. Particularly given our Japanese internment in the 1940s, while abhorrent, did not reach the levels of violence of today’s concentration camps.
- pfannkuchen 1mo ago
  What due process is missing in deportation cases? Serious question, I haven’t looked into it too much because I am quite allergic to hysterical coverage of an area and I start to tune out and assume the hysterical people are probably wrong (in addition to being concerned about demo change as I don’t really want my grandkids to live in Brazil without having relocated). When the infraction is about whether they are supposed to be in a place at all, I surface level can buy that this is a special case and you don’t need to let them stay while it gets figured out as that pretty basically does not scale as an approach. And also, getting a flight to your home country isn’t imprisonment, fines or forced labor which is what the rest of due process applies to, right? Is there some argument against that or do I automatically lose for not wanting to become Brazil (since wanting to become Brazil is what progressive Jesus wants or whatever).
  - JumpCrisscross 1mo ago
    > What due process is missing in deportation cases? Every case where a judge has said ICE violated a court order. > I surface level can buy that this is a special case and you don’t need to let them stay while it gets figured out US citizens have been detained [1] and deported [2] and denied access to counsel or communication. If this is fine, we don’t have the rule of law. (We don’t have habeus corpus.) Putting people in camps against their will outside the law, camps where they get injured and die and disappear, is quite literally a concentration camp. (It’s not a death camp or a labor camp, at least to our knowledge. But most Germans had about as much knowledge about what was going on at their concentration camps as we have visibility into El Salvador.) > getting a flight to your home country isn’t imprisonment, fines or forced labor which is what the rest of due process applies to, right They’re not only being sent to their home countries [3]. We have a system right now where Americans and immigrants with a legal right to be here can—based on race or religion—be disappeared to random places where they aren’t heard from again. These are absolutely concentration camps. Like, the Jews weren’t a sympathetic group to most people in the 1930s. There were plenty of reasons given for why they should be removed to a secure place until a more permanent solution could be worked out. [1] https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-487 https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-487 [2] https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/ice-deports-3-u-s-citizen-children-held-incommunicado-prior-to-the-deportation https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/ice-deports-3-u-s-citize... [3] https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ice-may-deport-migrants-countries-other-than-their-own-with-just-six-hours-2025-07-13/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ice-may-deport-migrants-cou...
jfengel 1mo ago
It includes children, who were not aware that the law was being broken. We used to have a carve-out for them, called Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals. The administration eliminated that. For them, the analogy is even more apt. Incidentally: the term "concentration camp" was coined during the Spanish-American war, and used extensively during the Boer War. It aptly describes the Japanese internment camps in the US during the Second World War.

k310 1mo ago

Politics aside, Nobody, not even a coddled white collar criminal, deserves the documented torture, deprivation and horrible medical conditions leading to many deaths, of this paramilitary army, not operating under military rules of conduct, but seemingly impromptu and concealed rules and activities. Terribly wrong, and concentration camps meet the operational definition, if not the "academic" one. Torture, suffering and death don't really care who and how. They are universally wrong. People are people. Some get country club accommodations, even after conviction. Some get brutality "on ice".

pfannkuchen 1mo ago
Okay can you please justify your assertions? Where are people being tortured? ICE is pulling off fingernails and shoving glass up urethras? ICE is chopping off hands and pouring scalding water on people? What are you calling torture? How many deaths are you talking about? What horrible medical conditions are you talking about? How long are these people waiting for a flight? Are they trying to avoid being flown home while this is happening, or is there a gigantic backlog? What makes them paramilitary? Are they firebombing immigrant houses? Are they assassinating immigrant leaders? Like if you guys wanted to get these people out but you just want it to be more civil or whatever, then yeah I’m listening, but you don’t! You want them to stay! That makes your hysteria seem motivated, because you aren’t ranting about how they should stay, you are ranting about implementation details, which as far as I can tell isn’t your core concern!
- hardbass 1mo ago
  They are killing legal citizens, let alone immigrants. And happily loading up people to shithole prisons in unrelated countries like El Salvador. If you believe blackbagged in El Salvador is a pleasant experience, then as experiment I think I should kidnap you and force you there for a few months since its clearly not torture.

JumpCrisscross 1mo ago

> It equates Jews who were perfectly allowed to be in Germany until the N’s gained power The refugees who were illegally deported had a right to be in America until they’d had due process. It’s absolutely valid to compare the two cases. Particularly given our Japanese internment in the 1940s, while abhorrent, did not reach the levels of violence of today’s concentration camps.

pfannkuchen 1mo ago
What due process is missing in deportation cases? Serious question, I haven’t looked into it too much because I am quite allergic to hysterical coverage of an area and I start to tune out and assume the hysterical people are probably wrong (in addition to being concerned about demo change as I don’t really want my grandkids to live in Brazil without having relocated). When the infraction is about whether they are supposed to be in a place at all, I surface level can buy that this is a special case and you don’t need to let them stay while it gets figured out as that pretty basically does not scale as an approach. And also, getting a flight to your home country isn’t imprisonment, fines or forced labor which is what the rest of due process applies to, right? Is there some argument against that or do I automatically lose for not wanting to become Brazil (since wanting to become Brazil is what progressive Jesus wants or whatever).
- JumpCrisscross 1mo ago
  > What due process is missing in deportation cases? Every case where a judge has said ICE violated a court order. > I surface level can buy that this is a special case and you don’t need to let them stay while it gets figured out US citizens have been detained [1] and deported [2] and denied access to counsel or communication. If this is fine, we don’t have the rule of law. (We don’t have habeus corpus.) Putting people in camps against their will outside the law, camps where they get injured and die and disappear, is quite literally a concentration camp. (It’s not a death camp or a labor camp, at least to our knowledge. But most Germans had about as much knowledge about what was going on at their concentration camps as we have visibility into El Salvador.) > getting a flight to your home country isn’t imprisonment, fines or forced labor which is what the rest of due process applies to, right They’re not only being sent to their home countries [3]. We have a system right now where Americans and immigrants with a legal right to be here can—based on race or religion—be disappeared to random places where they aren’t heard from again. These are absolutely concentration camps. Like, the Jews weren’t a sympathetic group to most people in the 1930s. There were plenty of reasons given for why they should be removed to a secure place until a more permanent solution could be worked out. [1] https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-487 https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-487 [2] https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/ice-deports-3-u-s-citizen-children-held-incommunicado-prior-to-the-deportation https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/ice-deports-3-u-s-citize... [3] https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ice-may-deport-migrants-countries-other-than-their-own-with-just-six-hours-2025-07-13/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ice-may-deport-migrants-cou...

jfengel 1mo ago

It includes children, who were not aware that the law was being broken. We used to have a carve-out for them, called Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals. The administration eliminated that. For them, the analogy is even more apt. Incidentally: the term "concentration camp" was coined during the Spanish-American war, and used extensively during the Boer War. It aptly describes the Japanese internment camps in the US during the Second World War.