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Hy4 apparently has ludicrous traction on OpenRouter already (https://openrouter.ai/tencent/hy4-preview https://openrouter.ai/tencent/hy4-preview), with trillion

Hy4 apparently has ludicrous traction on OpenRouter already (https://openrouter.ai/tencent/hy4-preview https://openrouter.ai/tencent/hy4-preview), with trillions of tokens processed in a couple days: more than GLM 5.3 in a week. That said, it's relatively cheap with a 5% cache cost when everyone is still doing 10%/20% cache costs, so Hy4 may be more compelling.

cyanydeez 2mo ago
i'd be curious if openrouter is just being gamed by these publishers by paying for the exposure. wouldn't trust they dont do Capitalism like the rest of the AI field.
- tokai 2mo ago
  >dont do Capitalism like the rest of the AI field Like lobbying the US president to harm their competitors?
  - realo 2mo ago
    I would suggest "lobbying" is not the correct word to describe all the corruption going on in the current USA administration cesspool.
    - noir_lord 2mo ago
      lobbying/legalised bribery hard to say where one ends and another begins at times.
    - CamperBob2 2mo ago
      Well, it sure as hell isn't capitalism.
      - blackqueeriroh 2mo ago
        Lmao that’s exactly capitalism
        andrekandre 2mo ago
        i mean, theres capitalism as the ideal, and there is capitalism in practice, so maybe you are both right...
        CamperBob2 2mo ago
        Where in the Wealth of Nations does a Trump appear?
        realo 2mo ago
        Oh. Administration corrupted up to it's very core? Check. Nihilism of anyone not part of the proper color, gender, whatever agenda? Check. Unlawful surveillance? Check. Sending totally innocent citizens to prison with many of them dying mysteriously? Check. Killing innocent people in the streets simply because they dare protest peacefully? Check. Welcome to North Korea! Oups. Confused. Welcome to the GREAT US of A! Where True Capitalism is practiced.
        CamperBob2 2mo ago
        You need to go back to school and demand a refund if you think any of that is "true capitalism." Better yet, just go back to Reddit.
        bigyabai 2mo ago
        It's kinda funny to hear these protests. In a "true fascist" society, you wouldn't be surprised to see someone killed in the name of political power. But in a "true capitalist" society, you're shocked that money triumphs over virtue? It's not a "virtuist" society, is it? Authoritarian capitalists exist. Larry Ellison, Alex Karp, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg - they love when you think that capitalism plays by written rules. It helps them use your tax dollars to pay for their surveillance services. It helps them sell you B2C products that degrade the moral fabric of America, and rewrite legislation through online influence campaigns. You can say it "isn't capitalism" because you don't agree with it politically, but the accrual of capital is precisely how all 4 of those men became powerful. Their influence on social media is why they're able to reframe the national discussion how they want. Their money is what lets them turn political willpower into a business, or a rubber chicken into a politician. After all, what is Reddit or 4chan if not one big capitalist influence campaign? Do you really think product reviews and political ragebait is driven by some natural and benevolent social force that we can't see or feel?
- drob518 2mo ago
  Of course they are. Of course they do. Nobody should be surprised by this.
npn 2mo ago
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martinald 2mo ago
I wrote about this a couple of weeks ago. It's actually often the biggest cost and it tends to be hidden away on most platforms! https://martinalderson.com/posts/watch-out-for-cache-read-costs/ https://martinalderson.com/posts/watch-out-for-cache-read-co... Btw I still haven't came across any decent model that is <$0.01/MTok cache costs apart from deepseek thru their official API (even with the price increases). Seems like a bit of an opportunity for someone to take - drop cache read costs significantly.
- dakolli 2mo ago
  That's because Deepseek invented the paradigm of prompt caching, they are the SOTA when it comes these techniques. Despite them open sourcing all their research, nobody beats them. edit: I do wish openrouter would let you sort providers by Cache Hit % and Cache cost. These are the only things that matter to me at this point when choosing a provider.
  - minimaxir 2mo ago
    You can click the table headers to sort Ascending/Descending.
    - dakolli 2mo ago
      You can sort by the cost cache cose, but you cannot by cache hit %. You have to click on the provider and see what their cache hit % is. A provider could have a super low cache cost, but a 50% cache hit percentage, making the cheap price of cache read's meaningless.
      - andai 2mo ago
        Wait, what does that number mean? I thought it always uses the cache price when the prefix matches.
        dakolli 2mo ago
        When the prefix matches a request sent to the same Providor. The thing is the TTL is different for each provider, some cache for 5 minutes some cache for 1hr. Its ideal to only use one provider per agent session / and per model with the best cache hit % if you care about costs.
Dinux 2mo ago
Which explains why almost none of my request go though
redox99 2mo ago
It's very likely tencent games those stats, buying their own tokens.
- eli 2mo ago
  Openrouter tracks what apps are using the model and the top ones for hy4 are all different coding harnesses. I guess it could be fake but seems more likely people are just trying it out. Hy3 was a very strong and underrated model.
  - redox99 2mo ago
    The speed at which hy4 usage increased on openrouter, especially considering its not a cheap model, doesn't seem organic to me. Its already serving as much tokens/day as the incredibly cheap and good GLM 5.3 flash, which had a crazy marketing campaign as ox alpha? Also those top 5 apps are just 1.58B tokens out of 1.54T tokens from yesterday. Negligible.
joegibbs 2mo ago
If you’re Tencent you can just plug it into some field somewhere that lots of people see right? Like how Meta could put their model on Instagram search

cyanydeez 2mo ago

i'd be curious if openrouter is just being gamed by these publishers by paying for the exposure. wouldn't trust they dont do Capitalism like the rest of the AI field.

tokai 2mo ago
>dont do Capitalism like the rest of the AI field Like lobbying the US president to harm their competitors?
- realo 2mo ago
  I would suggest "lobbying" is not the correct word to describe all the corruption going on in the current USA administration cesspool.
  - noir_lord 2mo ago
    lobbying/legalised bribery hard to say where one ends and another begins at times.
  - CamperBob2 2mo ago
    Well, it sure as hell isn't capitalism.
    - blackqueeriroh 2mo ago
      Lmao that’s exactly capitalism
      - andrekandre 2mo ago
        i mean, theres capitalism as the ideal, and there is capitalism in practice, so maybe you are both right...
      - CamperBob2 2mo ago
        Where in the Wealth of Nations does a Trump appear?
      - realo 2mo ago
        Oh. Administration corrupted up to it's very core? Check. Nihilism of anyone not part of the proper color, gender, whatever agenda? Check. Unlawful surveillance? Check. Sending totally innocent citizens to prison with many of them dying mysteriously? Check. Killing innocent people in the streets simply because they dare protest peacefully? Check. Welcome to North Korea! Oups. Confused. Welcome to the GREAT US of A! Where True Capitalism is practiced.
        CamperBob2 2mo ago
        You need to go back to school and demand a refund if you think any of that is "true capitalism." Better yet, just go back to Reddit.
        bigyabai 2mo ago
        It's kinda funny to hear these protests. In a "true fascist" society, you wouldn't be surprised to see someone killed in the name of political power. But in a "true capitalist" society, you're shocked that money triumphs over virtue? It's not a "virtuist" society, is it? Authoritarian capitalists exist. Larry Ellison, Alex Karp, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg - they love when you think that capitalism plays by written rules. It helps them use your tax dollars to pay for their surveillance services. It helps them sell you B2C products that degrade the moral fabric of America, and rewrite legislation through online influence campaigns. You can say it "isn't capitalism" because you don't agree with it politically, but the accrual of capital is precisely how all 4 of those men became powerful. Their influence on social media is why they're able to reframe the national discussion how they want. Their money is what lets them turn political willpower into a business, or a rubber chicken into a politician. After all, what is Reddit or 4chan if not one big capitalist influence campaign? Do you really think product reviews and political ragebait is driven by some natural and benevolent social force that we can't see or feel?
drob518 2mo ago
Of course they are. Of course they do. Nobody should be surprised by this.

npn 2mo ago

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martinald 2mo ago

I wrote about this a couple of weeks ago. It's actually often the biggest cost and it tends to be hidden away on most platforms! https://martinalderson.com/posts/watch-out-for-cache-read-costs/ https://martinalderson.com/posts/watch-out-for-cache-read-co... Btw I still haven't came across any decent model that is <$0.01/MTok cache costs apart from deepseek thru their official API (even with the price increases). Seems like a bit of an opportunity for someone to take - drop cache read costs significantly.

dakolli 2mo ago
That's because Deepseek invented the paradigm of prompt caching, they are the SOTA when it comes these techniques. Despite them open sourcing all their research, nobody beats them. edit: I do wish openrouter would let you sort providers by Cache Hit % and Cache cost. These are the only things that matter to me at this point when choosing a provider.
- minimaxir 2mo ago
  You can click the table headers to sort Ascending/Descending.
  - dakolli 2mo ago
    You can sort by the cost cache cose, but you cannot by cache hit %. You have to click on the provider and see what their cache hit % is. A provider could have a super low cache cost, but a 50% cache hit percentage, making the cheap price of cache read's meaningless.
    - andai 2mo ago
      Wait, what does that number mean? I thought it always uses the cache price when the prefix matches.
      - dakolli 2mo ago
        When the prefix matches a request sent to the same Providor. The thing is the TTL is different for each provider, some cache for 5 minutes some cache for 1hr. Its ideal to only use one provider per agent session / and per model with the best cache hit % if you care about costs.

Dinux 2mo ago

Which explains why almost none of my request go though

redox99 2mo ago

It's very likely tencent games those stats, buying their own tokens.

eli 2mo ago
Openrouter tracks what apps are using the model and the top ones for hy4 are all different coding harnesses. I guess it could be fake but seems more likely people are just trying it out. Hy3 was a very strong and underrated model.
- redox99 2mo ago
  The speed at which hy4 usage increased on openrouter, especially considering its not a cheap model, doesn't seem organic to me. Its already serving as much tokens/day as the incredibly cheap and good GLM 5.3 flash, which had a crazy marketing campaign as ox alpha? Also those top 5 apps are just 1.58B tokens out of 1.54T tokens from yesterday. Negligible.

joegibbs 2mo ago

If you’re Tencent you can just plug it into some field somewhere that lots of people see right? Like how Meta could put their model on Instagram search