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It's funny how much Google lies about Android being 'secure' [1] and how much GrapheneOS, for free, improves the security of everyone with their work. Google sh

It's funny how much Google lies about Android being 'secure' [1] and how much GrapheneOS, for free, improves the security of everyone with their work. Google should be, immediately, merging all patches/changes GrapheneOS makes and releasing a new build of Android to AOSP. Instead, users are subject to weak efforts to protect their security and privacy while Google parade about how good and amazing they are. They mention [1] 'This unencrypted data can be used to build user profiles or, in the hands of malicious actors'...And can't see the irony. They ARE the malicious actor and they absolutely build profiles about everyone. Whatever happened to the 'privacy sandbox' initiative again? Anyone who values Graphene's work will purchase one of their Motorola devices, whatever the cost, otherwise it seems your choices are going to be giving up more data and control to Google, because they are clearly, obviously and systematically trying to remove GOS from Pixels (lack of source code, removing hardware features, making it purposely difficult to support pixels). I predict by 2030 GrapheneOS will not support any new pixels entirely. The existing pixels will eventually die off and that will be that. [1]: https://blog.google/security/new-android-network-security-protections/ https://blog.google/security/new-android-network-security-pr...

inigyou 1mo ago
They see the irony, they know the irony, they know their money comes from that irony being ignored so they will never lampshade it.
- aboringusername 1mo ago
  It's obvious they see open access to users data as a threat to their business model. No, they haven't suddenly decided to care about your privacy, they want to deny other actors access so you need to get data directly via them. They will obviously still collect it themselves via their numerous methods (play services, chrome, ad networks etc).
palata 1mo ago
> Anyone who values Graphene's work will purchase one of their Motorola devices, whatever the cost Well the current Motorola Signature (2026) is 3 times the price of a Pixel. Not everyone can afford "whatever the cost". I hope Motorola will just get more and more phones to support GrapheneOS.
- grapheneos 1mo ago
  Here's a direct comparison with the Pixel 11: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Google-Pixel-11-Unlocked-Smartphone-Obsidian/dp/B0H62LV77B/ https://www.amazon.co.uk/Google-Pixel-11-Unlocked-Smartphone... https://www.amazon.co.uk/Motorola-Signature-XT2603-2-SIM-Free-Smartphone-PANTONE-Carbon/dp/B0H7T8XG6H/ https://www.amazon.co.uk/Motorola-Signature-XT2603-2-SIM-Fre... That's the 16GB variant of the Signature. There's also a cheaper 12GB variant, which is particularly competitively priced in India: https://www.motorola.in/smartphones-motorola-signature/p?skuId=610 https://www.motorola.in/smartphones-motorola-signature/p?sku...
  - aboringusername 1mo ago
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    - microtonal 1mo ago
      It really depends on where you are. Here (NL) the Signature 2026 is 750 Euro from reputable sellers. But yeah, the Signature is not available everywhere, similar to how the Pixel is not available everywhere.
    - grapheneos 1mo ago
      That's not 3 times the price. It's also a flagship device and that's the model with 16GB storage and 512GB memory. Pixel 11 Pro with RAM/storage upgraded is a better comparison and the Motorola Signature (2026) has vastly better CPU and GPU performance with a cheaper price. Regardless, it's clearly not 3x the price of the regular Pixels and is priced similarly to the Pixel 10 Pro series which was cheaper than the Pixel 11 Pro series.
  - palata 1mo ago
    The thing is, you can buy a Pixel 8a or 9 for a fraction of the price. With Motorola at first it will only be the expensive flagship. My hope is that Motorola will have cheaper phones that work with GrapheneOS.
wolvoleo 1mo ago
Can GOS continue to support existing pixels if AOSP drops support for them I wonder? But it's easy to say 'whatever the cost' if you're wealthy :) For many people especially outside the US it's not that simple.
- grapheneos 1mo ago
  AOSP already dropped support for Pixels with Android 16 and GrapheneOS has continued to support Pixels.

inigyou 1mo ago

They see the irony, they know the irony, they know their money comes from that irony being ignored so they will never lampshade it.

aboringusername 1mo ago
It's obvious they see open access to users data as a threat to their business model. No, they haven't suddenly decided to care about your privacy, they want to deny other actors access so you need to get data directly via them. They will obviously still collect it themselves via their numerous methods (play services, chrome, ad networks etc).

palata 1mo ago

> Anyone who values Graphene's work will purchase one of their Motorola devices, whatever the cost Well the current Motorola Signature (2026) is 3 times the price of a Pixel. Not everyone can afford "whatever the cost". I hope Motorola will just get more and more phones to support GrapheneOS.

grapheneos 1mo ago
Here's a direct comparison with the Pixel 11: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Google-Pixel-11-Unlocked-Smartphone-Obsidian/dp/B0H62LV77B/ https://www.amazon.co.uk/Google-Pixel-11-Unlocked-Smartphone... https://www.amazon.co.uk/Motorola-Signature-XT2603-2-SIM-Free-Smartphone-PANTONE-Carbon/dp/B0H7T8XG6H/ https://www.amazon.co.uk/Motorola-Signature-XT2603-2-SIM-Fre... That's the 16GB variant of the Signature. There's also a cheaper 12GB variant, which is particularly competitively priced in India: https://www.motorola.in/smartphones-motorola-signature/p?skuId=610 https://www.motorola.in/smartphones-motorola-signature/p?sku...
- aboringusername 1mo ago
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  - microtonal 1mo ago
    It really depends on where you are. Here (NL) the Signature 2026 is 750 Euro from reputable sellers. But yeah, the Signature is not available everywhere, similar to how the Pixel is not available everywhere.
  - grapheneos 1mo ago
    That's not 3 times the price. It's also a flagship device and that's the model with 16GB storage and 512GB memory. Pixel 11 Pro with RAM/storage upgraded is a better comparison and the Motorola Signature (2026) has vastly better CPU and GPU performance with a cheaper price. Regardless, it's clearly not 3x the price of the regular Pixels and is priced similarly to the Pixel 10 Pro series which was cheaper than the Pixel 11 Pro series.
- palata 1mo ago
  The thing is, you can buy a Pixel 8a or 9 for a fraction of the price. With Motorola at first it will only be the expensive flagship. My hope is that Motorola will have cheaper phones that work with GrapheneOS.

wolvoleo 1mo ago

Can GOS continue to support existing pixels if AOSP drops support for them I wonder? But it's easy to say 'whatever the cost' if you're wealthy :) For many people especially outside the US it's not that simple.

grapheneos 1mo ago
AOSP already dropped support for Pixels with Android 16 and GrapheneOS has continued to support Pixels.