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But that would trend to cutting out the middle man due to the inefficiencies they create. Middlemen will only work if either these middlemen make the utilizati

But that would trend to cutting out the middle man due to the inefficiencies they create. Middlemen will only work if either these middlemen make the utilization more efficient or you make the requirements to bid so onerous that only these specialized middlemen have the competency to do fulfill them.

inigyou 1mo ago
No, middlemen would happen if it's profitable to be a middleman. Extreme case: one person bids just enough to get all the rights, then charges double that to fishermen to use them.
- ViewTrick1002 1mo ago
  Which means in the next bidding round the fishermen would bid somewhere between the double they were charged, and could still apparently have a working businesses with, and what the middleman bid. All it means is that they were expecting too large profit margins and someone called their bluff.
  - inigyou 1mo ago
    Has this been tried? It's been tried with housing (that's the current housing system).
    - ViewTrick1002 1mo ago
      No idea. But it is quite similar to how public transport works for archipelago ferries in Scandinavia. 15 year contracts when large investments are required. Otherwise 5-10 years. And you get a ”quota” for a guaranteed traffic to run for that period based on the requirements in the contract. Just took the same idea and applied to fishing, to prevent the ”legacies” from monopolizing it while giving the public the income of their shared resources.
      - inigyou 1mo ago
        A government contract isn't the same as a rights system. Presumably anyone else is also allowed to set up a ferry?
        ViewTrick1002 1mo ago
        And anyone would be allowed to bid on the fishing quotas? What’s the difference between a ferry and a fishing boat?
        inigyou 1mo ago
        The difference is that there isn't a limited number of ferry licenses. They aren't rivalrous. Sure the government is paying for one to make sure there's at least one, but anyone could.
        ViewTrick1002 1mo ago
        Of course they are rivalrous. Contracts change, boats get laid up and people are forced to change employers. You can imagine on popular routes where you get to keep the proceeds that you instead pay for the right to operate it. What’s the difference to paying for being allowed a quota to fish in the waters said ferry service runs a passenger service in?
        inigyou 1mo ago
        Why would there be a limited number of ferry licenses?
        ViewTrick1002 1mo ago
        Limited port capacity? Erosion? Limit disturbance of wild life? Either way it is a public resource. On one side access to a countries fishing grounds to make money from it. On the other side access to a countries tax money to make money from it. I get a feeling that you think fishermen should have some special heritage rights guaranteeing large profit margins rather than having to pay the public for the access to a shared resource.

inigyou 1mo ago

No, middlemen would happen if it's profitable to be a middleman. Extreme case: one person bids just enough to get all the rights, then charges double that to fishermen to use them.

ViewTrick1002 1mo ago
Which means in the next bidding round the fishermen would bid somewhere between the double they were charged, and could still apparently have a working businesses with, and what the middleman bid. All it means is that they were expecting too large profit margins and someone called their bluff.
- inigyou 1mo ago
  Has this been tried? It's been tried with housing (that's the current housing system).
  - ViewTrick1002 1mo ago
    No idea. But it is quite similar to how public transport works for archipelago ferries in Scandinavia. 15 year contracts when large investments are required. Otherwise 5-10 years. And you get a ”quota” for a guaranteed traffic to run for that period based on the requirements in the contract. Just took the same idea and applied to fishing, to prevent the ”legacies” from monopolizing it while giving the public the income of their shared resources.
    - inigyou 1mo ago
      A government contract isn't the same as a rights system. Presumably anyone else is also allowed to set up a ferry?
      - ViewTrick1002 1mo ago
        And anyone would be allowed to bid on the fishing quotas? What’s the difference between a ferry and a fishing boat?
        inigyou 1mo ago
        The difference is that there isn't a limited number of ferry licenses. They aren't rivalrous. Sure the government is paying for one to make sure there's at least one, but anyone could.
        ViewTrick1002 1mo ago
        Of course they are rivalrous. Contracts change, boats get laid up and people are forced to change employers. You can imagine on popular routes where you get to keep the proceeds that you instead pay for the right to operate it. What’s the difference to paying for being allowed a quota to fish in the waters said ferry service runs a passenger service in?
        inigyou 1mo ago
        Why would there be a limited number of ferry licenses?
        ViewTrick1002 1mo ago
        Limited port capacity? Erosion? Limit disturbance of wild life? Either way it is a public resource. On one side access to a countries fishing grounds to make money from it. On the other side access to a countries tax money to make money from it. I get a feeling that you think fishermen should have some special heritage rights guaranteeing large profit margins rather than having to pay the public for the access to a shared resource.