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Joey Hess is unimpressed. See https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/Debian_and_the_sirens/ https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/Debian_and_the_sirens/
by edward 29d ago
Joey Hess is unimpressed. See https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/Debian_and_the_sirens/ https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/Debian_and_the_sirens/
- TiredOfLife 28d ago> Debian will become dependent on proprietary software for development he also seems to have absolutely no idea what he is talking about
- GaryBluto 29d ago[flagged]
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- softwaredoug 29d agoHis point is using LLMs to build software will lead to code so complex that it requires an Agent. Or that it will cause avoiding cleaning up the boilerplate because we can tolerate it now because of agents. And thus this will all bias towards complexity and fragility.. Aside from Bun, which is owned by Anthropic, do we know of open source projects that allow AI where this has happened?
- smy20011 28d agoOpenClaw IMO, It's a such big mess that only agent can operate it.
- frabcus 29d agoHis reasoning is quite fresh and interesting: > What LLMs in Debian development will do, I fear, is eliminate any incentive to scrap boilerplate or reform policies that require a lot of other senseless human effort. If I had had access to LLMs 30 years ago, I might have just had them generate the rules files, replate with complexity. So they will make Debian even more firmly what it is, and ever less likely to explore what it could become. I use and like LLMs, but it does feel like structural social changes are harder to do. For example, creation of new protocols. I hope I'm wrong, and LLMs are used to build collaborative, community projects - not just everyone vibe coding their own incompatible software.
- a2ff6eeb0 29d agoYes, because LLMs have no online learning, it's a mistake to innovative in programming languages and tooling. Use what exists instead, the power of having training data is often underestimated.
- jimmaswell 29d agoI use LLM's to make massive structural changes I never would have done by hand all the time. It's intractably tedious for me but easy for an LLM.
- glhaynes 29d agoYes, I experiment much more. It's easier to justify, and, perhaps more importantly, just WAY psychologically easier to throw away a 20 minute experiment that your robot wrote for you than the same when it took you a week of tedious manual coding.