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What is the question? Instead of going straight for the insinuations of Russian propaganda and whatever you could just have looked it up for yourself. How abou

by veeti 1mo ago

What is the question? Instead of going straight for the insinuations of Russian propaganda and whatever you could just have looked it up for yourself. How about Spanish-Portuguese specialty horse riding gear? https://picadera.de/en/ppwr-warum-wir-nicht-mehr-in-die-eu-versenden https://picadera.de/en/ppwr-warum-wir-nicht-mehr-in-die-eu-v... How about organic children's clothes from Sweden? https://shopdunssweden.se/ https://shopdunssweden.se/ A solid bike lock made straight out of German engineering? https://www.pitlock.de/en/blog/post/eu-packaging-regulation-shipping-pause https://www.pitlock.de/en/blog/post/eu-packaging-regulation-... I could find these all day but let me just remind you that for literally _DECADES_ before this regulation there were no such restrictions to cross EU online shopping. Now the small players have closed entirely, and the more fortunate can only afford to serve the largest countries such as Germany, Belgium, Netherlands. It's insane. And to add insult to the injury, substandard alternatives to all of these products are still readily available on Temu. They are fucking laughing at us in China!

inigyou 1mo ago
I have yet to see any evidence beyond angry internet comments that registering in every country is actually required.
- veeti 1mo ago
  You are free to pretend you know better than SME's all over the union, their chambers of commerce, actual CUSTOMERS dealing with this, but evidently business has already ground to a halt anyway. This is exactly what I mean by regulation believers. Here you have all the evidence you need that the harm is done, yet you believe it's still about some philosophical debate whether the regulation even works that way.
  - inigyou 1mo ago
    No, the evidence is that some people are overly paranoid and the rest would like to clear up the wording to bypass the paranoia. The same thing happened with GDPR.
    - veeti 1mo ago
      Like I said, you are focusing on irrelevant semantics. The single market is already dead, you just didn't realize it yet.
      - inigyou 1mo ago
        What forfeit will you give me if I come back to this comment in two years and there are still European small businesses?
- magicalhippo 1mo ago
  There are several sites out there trying to help explain PPWR and they all say the same thing: the one that brings the package to an EU state market must do EPR registration in that EU state. If you sell directly to consumers from a web shop, that is you. A selection of such guides: https://www.ppwrconsulting.com/blog/ppwr-small-business-sme/ https://www.ppwrconsulting.com/blog/ppwr-small-business-sme/ https://packdeclare.com/blog/ppwr-sme-guide https://packdeclare.com/blog/ppwr-sme-guide https://getreadycompliance.eu/ppwr-extended-producer-responsibility-guide/ https://getreadycompliance.eu/ppwr-extended-producer-respons...
  - inigyou 1mo ago
    These companies that make money helping you register want you to register more? Color me shocked

by veeti 1mo ago

inigyou 1mo ago

I have yet to see any evidence beyond angry internet comments that registering in every country is actually required.

veeti 1mo ago
You are free to pretend you know better than SME's all over the union, their chambers of commerce, actual CUSTOMERS dealing with this, but evidently business has already ground to a halt anyway. This is exactly what I mean by regulation believers. Here you have all the evidence you need that the harm is done, yet you believe it's still about some philosophical debate whether the regulation even works that way.
- inigyou 1mo ago
  No, the evidence is that some people are overly paranoid and the rest would like to clear up the wording to bypass the paranoia. The same thing happened with GDPR.
  - veeti 1mo ago
    Like I said, you are focusing on irrelevant semantics. The single market is already dead, you just didn't realize it yet.
    - inigyou 1mo ago
      What forfeit will you give me if I come back to this comment in two years and there are still European small businesses?
magicalhippo 1mo ago
There are several sites out there trying to help explain PPWR and they all say the same thing: the one that brings the package to an EU state market must do EPR registration in that EU state. If you sell directly to consumers from a web shop, that is you. A selection of such guides: https://www.ppwrconsulting.com/blog/ppwr-small-business-sme/ https://www.ppwrconsulting.com/blog/ppwr-small-business-sme/ https://packdeclare.com/blog/ppwr-sme-guide https://packdeclare.com/blog/ppwr-sme-guide https://getreadycompliance.eu/ppwr-extended-producer-responsibility-guide/ https://getreadycompliance.eu/ppwr-extended-producer-respons...
- inigyou 1mo ago
  These companies that make money helping you register want you to register more? Color me shocked