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Ah this is another interesting edge case. Red dead shipped with red dead online which was supposed to be its gta online equivalent, but it was abandoned. So i

by Kwolok 1mo ago

Ah this is another interesting edge case. Red dead shipped with red dead online which was supposed to be its gta online equivalent, but it was abandoned. So in many ways rdr2 had a live service component that was effectively abandoned. So it is kind of right but its also obviously wrong because the base single player experience of rdr2 is by all means totally complete. I wonder how I can best account for this in the system...

Folcon 1mo ago
It's sort of depends on how you define done? > Released, but content still planned Silksong is like this, there are other games where they release patches for years? Is done no longer supported? I ask because take any paradox grand strategy game, if I understand your rubric, they're done only if they are no longer the supported mainline game, IE Crusader Kings 2 is done, as 3 is where all the support is going?
- Kwolok 1mo ago
  To me, done means: Is there any other major content or features coming. Its not necessarily about support but, with sk=ilksong for isntance, yes the game is released but if you play it today, vs some time in the future once all the dlc is out, you are effectively playing two sepereate games. I like to make sure I play a game only once all of the content that will be in it is released. Obviously this is imperfect because look at the witcher 3, after more than a decade they announced a new DLC (Which is a tie in to the new game but still)
  - cnity 1mo ago
    There's a qualitative difference to me. Categorising Stardew Valley the same way as Cyberpunk because they both receive content updates feels unfair to Stardew Valley (because the continual content updates for the latter come from a place of respect to the community, while the former comes from overpromising and under-delivering). But if this is your rubric, and you find an audience that finds value from this rubric, I don't mean to denigrate your work here!
  - Folcon 1mo ago
    Ok interesting, I've got a clearer idea of what you're looking for, the probabilities that are sprinkled in the report make a little bit more sense Basically is this a done experience that I can have, if I'm summarising you correctly
pibaker 1mo ago
This is the third time in this thread you have called a game an edge case, or an odd one (Cyberpunk 2077), or an exception (The Witcher 3) I think if you have to keep adding these caveats to some of the most popular games of the past decade, then something about your classification criteria is fundamentally broken.

by Kwolok 1mo ago

Folcon 1mo ago

It's sort of depends on how you define done? > Released, but content still planned Silksong is like this, there are other games where they release patches for years? Is done no longer supported? I ask because take any paradox grand strategy game, if I understand your rubric, they're done only if they are no longer the supported mainline game, IE Crusader Kings 2 is done, as 3 is where all the support is going?

Kwolok 1mo ago
To me, done means: Is there any other major content or features coming. Its not necessarily about support but, with sk=ilksong for isntance, yes the game is released but if you play it today, vs some time in the future once all the dlc is out, you are effectively playing two sepereate games. I like to make sure I play a game only once all of the content that will be in it is released. Obviously this is imperfect because look at the witcher 3, after more than a decade they announced a new DLC (Which is a tie in to the new game but still)
- cnity 1mo ago
  There's a qualitative difference to me. Categorising Stardew Valley the same way as Cyberpunk because they both receive content updates feels unfair to Stardew Valley (because the continual content updates for the latter come from a place of respect to the community, while the former comes from overpromising and under-delivering). But if this is your rubric, and you find an audience that finds value from this rubric, I don't mean to denigrate your work here!
- Folcon 1mo ago
  Ok interesting, I've got a clearer idea of what you're looking for, the probabilities that are sprinkled in the report make a little bit more sense Basically is this a done experience that I can have, if I'm summarising you correctly

pibaker 1mo ago

This is the third time in this thread you have called a game an edge case, or an odd one (Cyberpunk 2077), or an exception (The Witcher 3) I think if you have to keep adding these caveats to some of the most popular games of the past decade, then something about your classification criteria is fundamentally broken.