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> the reason why the 4 is tolerated but the 8 got axed is that 4 is a honeypot and 8 wasn't That's certainly a take. My personal take is that 4chan actually c
by filoleg 1mo ago
> the reason why the 4 is tolerated but the 8 got axed is that 4 is a honeypot and 8 wasn't
That's certainly a take.
My personal take is that 4chan actually complies with the US laws, specifically the ones around promptly removing+reporting any illegal content that the US cares about (e.g., terrorism threats/CSAM/etc.), and 8chan doesn't.
Out of curiosity, what makes you consider 4chan to be a honeypot, as opposed to it just being a platform that simply complies with the relevant laws?
I will admit, I've spent barely a few minutes on 8 in my lifetime, so I am not equipped to judge the nuance of their situation much. With 4 though, it's been an on-and-off thing for me over the past ~15 years.
- gaudystead 1mo agoRegarding the honeypot allegations, I'm guessing they're referring to the connections between 4chan's founder, Christopher Poole, aka "moot", and Jeffrey Epstein: https://www.ms.now/opinion/jeffrey-epstein-4chan-chris-poole https://www.ms.now/opinion/jeffrey-epstein-4chan-chris-poole
- feshbach 1mo ago[flagged]
- sicktriple 1mo agoMSNBC is far left? Next you'll tell me Joe Biden is a Maoist.
- cholantesh 1mo agoI suspect they're a bot, fwiw.
- feshbach 1mo ago[dead]
- ipaddr 1mo agoMSNBC is as far left as Fox news is far right.
- sicktriple 1mo agoThere is much farther left than left-libs. The U.S. doesn't get anywhere near as left as it goes. MSNBC is center-left, at most. This is a very right wing country.
- ipaddr 1mo agoSo you agree with me unless you think the furthest right is Fox News which it's not by far.
- sicktriple 1mo agoI do not agree. I think that Fox news is much farther right than MSNBC is left. Again, MSNBC is generally a cente left publication, in comparison to the entirety of the political spectrum. There might be outright Nazi Groypers farther to the left than Fox, bit they aren't far off nor do they disagree on much. Whereas a center left rag like MSNBC is outwardly hostile to actual socialist or communist ideologies, of which are essentially nonexistent inside the US, hence it being a right wing nation.
- feshbach 1mo ago[dead]
- inigyou 1mo agoThis is just not a true statement.
- K0balt 1mo agoI see you are not familiar with the far left lol. What passes for left in the USA is the tip of the left iceberg. The leftmost edge of the identity politics in USA is a funny cartoon version. OTOH, the Fox News right is adjacent to far right, but also misses it substantively, just not by as far.
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- iririririr 1mo agoyou're replying to someone who says "far left" of they don't display open hatred for non cis people etc
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- ipaddr 1mo agoThat article tells me 4chan wasn't a honeypot but used by Epstein for his chaos or at least he thought about using it.
- K0balt 1mo ago/pol was made in October 2023 after a meeting between moot and Epstein. 4chan may not have been a honeypot but it’s likely that /pol was influenced heavily by Epstein/Maxwell which indicates a plausible link between/pol and Mossad aligned Intel activities at least.
- DaSHacka 1mo agoBut /new/ was from before then and was essentially the precursor to /pol/ anyway
- K0balt 1mo agoSure. Epstein/Mossad/CIA was not likely involved in the creation of the Chan. But the creation of /pol apparently in response to moot meeting Epstein (and follow-up meetings) as well as Maxwell’s alleged “janitor” status on the board are both deeply suspicious at least. BTW someone should probably check in on moot once in a while to see if he’s ok lol. Strange bedfellows and all that.
- jasonvorhe 1mo agoWasn't Maxwell also one of the most active Reddit moderators?
- michael0church 1mo ago[dead]
- ipaddr 1mo agoThe emails were from 201* not 2023.
- innocent_name 1mo agoMichael Tracey, we really need you here...
- vlyan 1mo agowe've seen several websites that do not break US law get evicted by registrars, ISPs, DDoS protection services, and other Internet landlords. 4chan miraculously survived multiple mass hysteria periods of the past decade without (iirc) any major disruptions. same as Russian 2ch -- miraculously untouched by Russia's rapid North Koreaization even though its /pol/ is overwhelmingly anti-regime.
- 0dayz 1mo agoThe pirate bay is still up despite being taken down, is this now also a honeypot?
- SmashDan 1mo agoThe Pirate Bay has had legal issues, been raided and taken down in the past. Has 4chan has any issues like this?
- inigyou 1mo agoThe UK fined it £520,000 but has no way to enforce it.
- ben_w 1mo agoIn fairness, this at most tells you the UK court system isn't party to any honeypotting. Despite the memes, the UK is not the 51st state, which is both why it was able to make the fine (1st Amendment doesn't have jurisdiction over the UK) and why it's not able to enforce it (the UK doesn't have jurisdiction over 4chan).
- GoblinSlayer 1mo ago>(1st Amendment doesn't have jurisdiction over the UK) It's a matter of enforcement. And who would want to enforce 1st amendment?
- kodoman 1mo agoIt's was mostly a slightly more edgy 4chan with actually some more varied boards and wider range of political views (/leftypol/) was a thing If I remember. So mostly dumb teens and later the whole Q-Anon mentally ill boomers who took over once the board was brought by one of them much to displeasure of the edge teens. In short if that is a threat to a government and a society it's a weak government and society, comparing it to Al-Qaeda or some kind of comparable threat to anything government or nation is crazy.