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Isitdoneyet.gg is a website I made to figure out if games are complete

29 points by Kwolok 1mo ago

Kwolok 1mo ago
I have whatever the opposite of fomo is and I hate playing games if I feel like they have more content coming down the line. Since a game being released doesn't mean much anywhere with post launch support I made a website to analyze steam games to figure out if they are actually content complete.
DetroitThrow 1mo ago
Can't check whether star citizen is done yet :/
- Kwolok 1mo ago
  The answer now, and forever will be: no
  - aurelwu 1mo ago
    your page is more optimistic about KSP2 though -- sadly I think wrongly.
    - Kwolok 1mo ago
      It lists it as "Development Uncertain" which I would not say is very optimistic...
      - aurelwu 1mo ago
        I'd list it as "Non-Development certain", but objectively you might be right.
  - blackhole 1mo ago
    You should have a dedicated page for Star Citizen that's just one giant 256pt font "NOPE"
otter-in-a-suit 1mo ago
Very cool. Curious how you parse all this data and where you get it from. For instance, https://isitdoneyet.gg/game/warhammer-40000-rogue-trader https://isitdoneyet.gg/game/warhammer-40000-rogue-trader is getting a DLC, see https://store.steampowered.com/app/3650060/Warhammer_40000_Rogue_Trader__Season_Pass_2/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/3650060/Warhammer_40000_R.... The source you list on that page is an individual DLC that's part of the Season Pass.
- Kwolok 1mo ago
  Oooo thank you this seems to be an interesting edge case. Rather than the developer posting their content plans on the main page, they seem to be only posting it on the DLC season pass page, making the main game page feel like a false positive that it isn't being updated... will have to look at ways to account for that!
resolutefunctor 1mo ago
I'm not into gaming, but how is something like Red Dead Redemption 2 showing as uncertain of completeness? Does the gaming community think that if something has an online service that it needs constant updates? https://isitdoneyet.gg/game/red-dead-redemption-2 https://isitdoneyet.gg/game/red-dead-redemption-2
- Kwolok 1mo ago
  Ah this is another interesting edge case. Red dead shipped with red dead online which was supposed to be its gta online equivalent, but it was abandoned. So in many ways rdr2 had a live service component that was effectively abandoned. So it is kind of right but its also obviously wrong because the base single player experience of rdr2 is by all means totally complete. I wonder how I can best account for this in the system...
  - Folcon 1mo ago
    It's sort of depends on how you define done? > Released, but content still planned Silksong is like this, there are other games where they release patches for years? Is done no longer supported? I ask because take any paradox grand strategy game, if I understand your rubric, they're done only if they are no longer the supported mainline game, IE Crusader Kings 2 is done, as 3 is where all the support is going?
    - Kwolok 1mo ago
      To me, done means: Is there any other major content or features coming. Its not necessarily about support but, with sk=ilksong for isntance, yes the game is released but if you play it today, vs some time in the future once all the dlc is out, you are effectively playing two sepereate games. I like to make sure I play a game only once all of the content that will be in it is released. Obviously this is imperfect because look at the witcher 3, after more than a decade they announced a new DLC (Which is a tie in to the new game but still)
      - 1mo ago
AnotherGoodName 1mo ago
Seems completely arbitrary to me honestly. Clearly some adjustments to the criteria are needed because this list reads unmaintained vs maintained as opposed to complete vs incomplete.
- Kwolok 1mo ago
  I'd love to keep improving so if you have some examples that would be great
  - AnotherGoodName 1mo ago
    The entire page of ‘net yet’. Counter strike 2, Dota 2, GTA 5, Red Dead Redemption etc. the list goes on. Everyone would consider these games maintained not incomplete. Maybe just merge not yet into complete? The ‘pending’ is more reasonable the ‘not yet’ list is clear nonsense.
    - Kwolok 1mo ago
      But they aren't. They are live service games that are constantly getting updates and new content. They are "Complete" in the sense that you can play them, and live service games fall under a weird area where they are "finished" in the sense that they have active communities and are wildly considered released but they aren't "done" in the sense that they are always evolving, changing, and adding content. That is why most of those games listed will have the "live service" tag. This isn't really a website for figuring out if live service games are complete. Its more for determining if a singleplayer game you are interested in has released every post launch dlc.
      - rurabe 1mo ago
        i would maybe clarify in the about page that it comes from a campaign lens versus a multiplayer lens
      - AnotherGoodName 1mo ago
        When in Rome (or when on the web)… You need to align with the expectations of users of your site for the site to have value to those users and this doesn’t align with user expectations. People do wish to be informed if a game is missing core content and features. People in general don’t see it as a negative if new content is added to an otherwise complete game. You have a mismatch here with general consensus. This mismatch means this is a site that only has worth to yourself. Which is ok if you’re ok with that. If you want others to gain value you have to change to meet their expectations. So it’s up to you. You can stick to this idea and keep this website as you want it or you can adjust to the feedback given here and accept that these games are considered complete by the vast majority.
wowczarek 1mo ago
So is HL3 out yet?
- Kwolok 1mo ago
  Any day now...
dgrin91 1mo ago
Why would I use this when I can just check on steam?
- Kwolok 1mo ago
  Steam only tells you if the game is released, but not if all of a games content has shipped (for instance post launch dlc, seasons etc). Its an imperfect system and it definitely isn't something everyone cares about to be fair.
  - xp84 1mo ago
    Is the intention that if there's going to be future DLC, you don't want to play the game at all yet? To me, it seems like there will probably be more units of DLC coming the more of a success the game is proving so far, and that it could keep coming pretty much indefinitely. So if you viewed such a game as "not done" you'd sit out a lot of widely loved new games "waiting for them to be done" for a long time.
    - Kwolok 1mo ago
      Yeah absolutely. I am not saying this way of gaming is for everyone but it is how I prefer to play. I like to know I am getting the complete and total package. I don't want to play a game and then find out two years later my experience wasn't really the "definitive" one. So this site is for people like me with similarly broken brains lol
  - dgrin91 1mo ago
    Doesn't it though? Typically as soon as DLC is announced it gets listed on Steam, do I can see there is unreleased DLC. I guess seasons isn't shown, but I feel like thats much more niche.
legastenigga 1mo ago
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rurabe 1mo ago
this is maybe one step short of the underlying need which is "should i play this yet, or is there more to come?" because it seems like there would be games which are not "done" and will have additional DLC but the experience is more or less complete and releases of new maps, rebalances etc are contemplated within the release model? imo the analogy would be like to eg https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/iphone-17-pro/ https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/iphone-17-pro/ what you are presenting is "when was this last released" as opposed to a forward looking "should you buy this now" but even thats not true because you are considering future stuff, so maybe its jus the framing of "done" vs "should i get into it now" not being the same thing when the definition of done is more stuff is coming i love the recommendation engine though!!! make it more prominent!
- Kwolok 1mo ago
  This is the crux of the subjective term of "done" so I take the conservative approach. Any content or update that substantively changes or adds to the game is considered content that needs to be present to be considered done. Maps, dlc's, changes to a story, are all considerations to that. Simple bug fixes and patches do not. Effectively the basis of the site is to answer the question "If I play this game now, will I be getting the complete and total gameplay experience."
Hamuko 1mo ago
This reeks of AIslop in terms of design and in terms of content. There's a Ko-fi link to support running the site but at no point do I feel like someone is running this because they actually care about these ratings. Just waterhose as many games and assign them some arbitrary label. Just a complete waste of time.
- Kwolok 1mo ago
  I literally built this for myself. I am a software engineer of some decades but this was definitely built with AI, both in the development and in the underlying engine that makes the assessments. I recognize that can be a bit of a polarizing subject so if that is a hard pass feel free. I personally wouldn't describe it as slop, it has a ton of considerations and the pipeline is quite complex, but you are free to disagree. It has a kofi link because it costs me about 60-100 bucks a month to run and personally its worth it for me, because I have already found a number of games I wanted to play through it, and I Will continue to host this as long as is reaosnable for my own sake. (Though with >1k games in my steam library I am not sure its particualrly healthy...)
  - Hamuko 1mo ago
    And how much time and effort are you actually spending on these assessments?
xhrpost 1mo ago
Anyone remember the old GoneGold.com? https://web.archive.org/web/20040213113548/http://www.gonegold.com/releases/ https://web.archive.org/web/20040213113548/http://www.gonego...
- Kwolok 1mo ago
  A classic and honestly a driving factor
teeray 1mo ago
Search: [Half Life 3] ** No Results ** Just driving the knife deeper for fans of the franchise
friedtofu 1mo ago
This is a strange definition of "done" in the context of a game being truly complete per your about page. I think the biggest thing, before I rant and this post needs a tl;dr is live service games are never done. They're only "done" when they inevitably shut down. All of the reasons you list for a game not being done(especially for single player games/games that have long since been put into maintenance mode at this point) just seems wrong. If you don't consider a game "done" because of a missing roadmap feature for horse armor or because a dev on twitter said they'd be updating their old game with upscaled HD/UHD textures or cutscenes or whatever then we have very different ideas on when a game is considered done/feature-complete. Alright that was just the intro, rant below: > We evaluate games based on developer communications — announcements, patch notes, DLC listings, and official roadmaps — to determine whether all planned content has shipped. But just looking through the first few pages really has me curious as to the formula your AI cooked up because the reasoning is either vague or doesn't make sense(at least to me) why the game isn't considered complete. Some examples: Grand Theft Auto V Legacy (not complete, reason: Removed from storefront) what? So until it comes back to steam's storefront(which is very unlikely at least for the near future) gta5 legacy is considered "incomplete"? Elden Ring(the base game) isn't done because DLC - "The Tarnished Pack" which consists of cosmetics for your horse, a couple new weapons and armor sets and "new classes", which because its a FromSoft game just means, slightly different starting stats and a unique starting armor set. All of which are essentially just goodies from the Nintendo Switch release coming to other platforms now. There are a few NPC invasions as well which seem to be the only legitimate changes/modifications to the original world.
- Kwolok 1mo ago
  Right we don't consider games you can no longer purchase as "done". This was a categorical gating decision, because its an inactionable title and people sorting by done likely want to find things they can buy and play.
dandersch 1mo ago
Interesting to see people here complain about Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk being categorized as "Not yet", whereas for me those games were actually the litmus test to see whether the site made a principled approach to the question or not. As much as endless updates can seem like you are getting your money worth or a nice excuse to revisit a game, there is a real value to just leaving your work be. Let it face the test of time by allowing it to age.

29 points by Kwolok 1mo ago

I have whatever the opposite of fomo is and I hate playing games if I feel like they have more content coming down the line. Since a game being released doesn't mean much anywhere with post launch support I made a website to analyze steam games to figure out if they are actually content complete.

DetroitThrow 1mo ago

Can't check whether star citizen is done yet :/

Kwolok 1mo ago
The answer now, and forever will be: no
- aurelwu 1mo ago
  your page is more optimistic about KSP2 though -- sadly I think wrongly.
  - Kwolok 1mo ago
    It lists it as "Development Uncertain" which I would not say is very optimistic...
    - aurelwu 1mo ago
      I'd list it as "Non-Development certain", but objectively you might be right.
- blackhole 1mo ago
  You should have a dedicated page for Star Citizen that's just one giant 256pt font "NOPE"

otter-in-a-suit 1mo ago

Very cool. Curious how you parse all this data and where you get it from. For instance, https://isitdoneyet.gg/game/warhammer-40000-rogue-trader https://isitdoneyet.gg/game/warhammer-40000-rogue-trader is getting a DLC, see https://store.steampowered.com/app/3650060/Warhammer_40000_Rogue_Trader__Season_Pass_2/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/3650060/Warhammer_40000_R.... The source you list on that page is an individual DLC that's part of the Season Pass.

Kwolok 1mo ago
Oooo thank you this seems to be an interesting edge case. Rather than the developer posting their content plans on the main page, they seem to be only posting it on the DLC season pass page, making the main game page feel like a false positive that it isn't being updated... will have to look at ways to account for that!

resolutefunctor 1mo ago

I'm not into gaming, but how is something like Red Dead Redemption 2 showing as uncertain of completeness? Does the gaming community think that if something has an online service that it needs constant updates? https://isitdoneyet.gg/game/red-dead-redemption-2 https://isitdoneyet.gg/game/red-dead-redemption-2

Kwolok 1mo ago
Ah this is another interesting edge case. Red dead shipped with red dead online which was supposed to be its gta online equivalent, but it was abandoned. So in many ways rdr2 had a live service component that was effectively abandoned. So it is kind of right but its also obviously wrong because the base single player experience of rdr2 is by all means totally complete. I wonder how I can best account for this in the system...
- Folcon 1mo ago
  It's sort of depends on how you define done? > Released, but content still planned Silksong is like this, there are other games where they release patches for years? Is done no longer supported? I ask because take any paradox grand strategy game, if I understand your rubric, they're done only if they are no longer the supported mainline game, IE Crusader Kings 2 is done, as 3 is where all the support is going?
  - Kwolok 1mo ago
    To me, done means: Is there any other major content or features coming. Its not necessarily about support but, with sk=ilksong for isntance, yes the game is released but if you play it today, vs some time in the future once all the dlc is out, you are effectively playing two sepereate games. I like to make sure I play a game only once all of the content that will be in it is released. Obviously this is imperfect because look at the witcher 3, after more than a decade they announced a new DLC (Which is a tie in to the new game but still)
    - 1mo ago

AnotherGoodName 1mo ago

Seems completely arbitrary to me honestly. Clearly some adjustments to the criteria are needed because this list reads unmaintained vs maintained as opposed to complete vs incomplete.

Kwolok 1mo ago
I'd love to keep improving so if you have some examples that would be great
- AnotherGoodName 1mo ago
  The entire page of ‘net yet’. Counter strike 2, Dota 2, GTA 5, Red Dead Redemption etc. the list goes on. Everyone would consider these games maintained not incomplete. Maybe just merge not yet into complete? The ‘pending’ is more reasonable the ‘not yet’ list is clear nonsense.
  - Kwolok 1mo ago
    But they aren't. They are live service games that are constantly getting updates and new content. They are "Complete" in the sense that you can play them, and live service games fall under a weird area where they are "finished" in the sense that they have active communities and are wildly considered released but they aren't "done" in the sense that they are always evolving, changing, and adding content. That is why most of those games listed will have the "live service" tag. This isn't really a website for figuring out if live service games are complete. Its more for determining if a singleplayer game you are interested in has released every post launch dlc.
    - rurabe 1mo ago
      i would maybe clarify in the about page that it comes from a campaign lens versus a multiplayer lens
    - AnotherGoodName 1mo ago
      When in Rome (or when on the web)… You need to align with the expectations of users of your site for the site to have value to those users and this doesn’t align with user expectations. People do wish to be informed if a game is missing core content and features. People in general don’t see it as a negative if new content is added to an otherwise complete game. You have a mismatch here with general consensus. This mismatch means this is a site that only has worth to yourself. Which is ok if you’re ok with that. If you want others to gain value you have to change to meet their expectations. So it’s up to you. You can stick to this idea and keep this website as you want it or you can adjust to the feedback given here and accept that these games are considered complete by the vast majority.

wowczarek 1mo ago

So is HL3 out yet?

Kwolok 1mo ago
Any day now...

dgrin91 1mo ago

Why would I use this when I can just check on steam?

Kwolok 1mo ago
Steam only tells you if the game is released, but not if all of a games content has shipped (for instance post launch dlc, seasons etc). Its an imperfect system and it definitely isn't something everyone cares about to be fair.
- xp84 1mo ago
  Is the intention that if there's going to be future DLC, you don't want to play the game at all yet? To me, it seems like there will probably be more units of DLC coming the more of a success the game is proving so far, and that it could keep coming pretty much indefinitely. So if you viewed such a game as "not done" you'd sit out a lot of widely loved new games "waiting for them to be done" for a long time.
  - Kwolok 1mo ago
    Yeah absolutely. I am not saying this way of gaming is for everyone but it is how I prefer to play. I like to know I am getting the complete and total package. I don't want to play a game and then find out two years later my experience wasn't really the "definitive" one. So this site is for people like me with similarly broken brains lol
- dgrin91 1mo ago
  Doesn't it though? Typically as soon as DLC is announced it gets listed on Steam, do I can see there is unreleased DLC. I guess seasons isn't shown, but I feel like thats much more niche.

legastenigga 1mo ago

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rurabe 1mo ago

this is maybe one step short of the underlying need which is "should i play this yet, or is there more to come?" because it seems like there would be games which are not "done" and will have additional DLC but the experience is more or less complete and releases of new maps, rebalances etc are contemplated within the release model? imo the analogy would be like to eg https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/iphone-17-pro/ https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/iphone-17-pro/ what you are presenting is "when was this last released" as opposed to a forward looking "should you buy this now" but even thats not true because you are considering future stuff, so maybe its jus the framing of "done" vs "should i get into it now" not being the same thing when the definition of done is more stuff is coming i love the recommendation engine though!!! make it more prominent!

Kwolok 1mo ago
This is the crux of the subjective term of "done" so I take the conservative approach. Any content or update that substantively changes or adds to the game is considered content that needs to be present to be considered done. Maps, dlc's, changes to a story, are all considerations to that. Simple bug fixes and patches do not. Effectively the basis of the site is to answer the question "If I play this game now, will I be getting the complete and total gameplay experience."

Hamuko 1mo ago

This reeks of AIslop in terms of design and in terms of content. There's a Ko-fi link to support running the site but at no point do I feel like someone is running this because they actually care about these ratings. Just waterhose as many games and assign them some arbitrary label. Just a complete waste of time.

Kwolok 1mo ago
I literally built this for myself. I am a software engineer of some decades but this was definitely built with AI, both in the development and in the underlying engine that makes the assessments. I recognize that can be a bit of a polarizing subject so if that is a hard pass feel free. I personally wouldn't describe it as slop, it has a ton of considerations and the pipeline is quite complex, but you are free to disagree. It has a kofi link because it costs me about 60-100 bucks a month to run and personally its worth it for me, because I have already found a number of games I wanted to play through it, and I Will continue to host this as long as is reaosnable for my own sake. (Though with >1k games in my steam library I am not sure its particualrly healthy...)
- Hamuko 1mo ago
  And how much time and effort are you actually spending on these assessments?

xhrpost 1mo ago

Anyone remember the old GoneGold.com? https://web.archive.org/web/20040213113548/http://www.gonegold.com/releases/ https://web.archive.org/web/20040213113548/http://www.gonego...

Kwolok 1mo ago
A classic and honestly a driving factor

teeray 1mo ago

Search: [Half Life 3] ** No Results ** Just driving the knife deeper for fans of the franchise

friedtofu 1mo ago

This is a strange definition of "done" in the context of a game being truly complete per your about page. I think the biggest thing, before I rant and this post needs a tl;dr is live service games are never done. They're only "done" when they inevitably shut down. All of the reasons you list for a game not being done(especially for single player games/games that have long since been put into maintenance mode at this point) just seems wrong. If you don't consider a game "done" because of a missing roadmap feature for horse armor or because a dev on twitter said they'd be updating their old game with upscaled HD/UHD textures or cutscenes or whatever then we have very different ideas on when a game is considered done/feature-complete. Alright that was just the intro, rant below: > We evaluate games based on developer communications — announcements, patch notes, DLC listings, and official roadmaps — to determine whether all planned content has shipped. But just looking through the first few pages really has me curious as to the formula your AI cooked up because the reasoning is either vague or doesn't make sense(at least to me) why the game isn't considered complete. Some examples: Grand Theft Auto V Legacy (not complete, reason: Removed from storefront) what? So until it comes back to steam's storefront(which is very unlikely at least for the near future) gta5 legacy is considered "incomplete"? Elden Ring(the base game) isn't done because DLC - "The Tarnished Pack" which consists of cosmetics for your horse, a couple new weapons and armor sets and "new classes", which because its a FromSoft game just means, slightly different starting stats and a unique starting armor set. All of which are essentially just goodies from the Nintendo Switch release coming to other platforms now. There are a few NPC invasions as well which seem to be the only legitimate changes/modifications to the original world.

Kwolok 1mo ago
Right we don't consider games you can no longer purchase as "done". This was a categorical gating decision, because its an inactionable title and people sorting by done likely want to find things they can buy and play.

dandersch 1mo ago

Interesting to see people here complain about Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk being categorized as "Not yet", whereas for me those games were actually the litmus test to see whether the site made a principled approach to the question or not. As much as endless updates can seem like you are getting your money worth or a nice excuse to revisit a game, there is a real value to just leaving your work be. Let it face the test of time by allowing it to age.