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It’s a conspiracy theory in that there’s no evidence of funding, support, or even cooperation in the particular case of “24”. The 24 pilot was filmed before 9/
by antonvs 1mo ago
It’s a conspiracy theory in that there’s no evidence of funding, support, or even cooperation in the particular case of “24”.
The 24 pilot was filmed before 9/11. After 9/11, the show had to be modified because reality has become uncomfortably close to it. That included delaying the premiere and removing a scene involving an exploding passenger aircraft.
The Washington Post reported on a trend of shows about counter-terrorism and spies, on August 4 2011: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/2001/08/04/speaking-of-spooky-tvs-new-spy-crop/a790e44a-1087-46d7-a617-23ed21ed79c5/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/2001/08/04/...
That article mentions that some of those shows relied on government consultation, with the CIA and FBI, to help with realism, etc. “24” was not one of them. “24” co-creator Joel Surnow is on record saying there was no government involvement.
Quote from the WP for context:
> Coming this fall [2001]: A new primetime drama series takes a close-up look at an elite federal agency and the dedicated men and women who hunt deadly terrorists and treacherous criminals.
> The new show's on CBS. It's also on NBC. And ABC. And Fox.
Some years it's twenty-something sitcoms. Sometimes it's doctors, or vermin-oriented "reality" shows. This fall, the trend is Fed TV: No fewer than five new network series depict the exploits of people with civil-service pay grades, shiny employee ID badges and very large guns.
But it was “24” that did the most to normalize the “torture the bad guys till they reveal the plot” and other such right-wing wet dreams.
- rayiner 1mo ago[dead]
- JuniperMesos 1mo agoHow many of those same people are Republicans today, because of various shifts in the political positions the different American political parties take with respect to demographic groups such as men?
- rayiner 1mo agoMore than a few—this was Georgia Tech and these are all southern white guys—but not the majority.
- antonvs 1mo agoThat’s quite the Overton window you’re living with. > Georgia Ah yes, I see.
- rayiner 1mo ago24 was one of the highest rated shows on television, won 20 Emmy awards and was nominated for 68. People just like torturing and killing terrorists. Not just Americans either—it’s a popular Bollywood trope as well.
- antonvs 1mo agoShow me someone who "likes torturing" and I'll show you someone who's a social media algorithm away from being MAGA or the local equivalent. "Right wing" is the correct term. Briefly checking your comment history, it's the correct term for you as well, so what's the issue? You don't want to admit it?
- rayiner 1mo agoI’m happy to admit it. But I think that there’s lots of democrats who are fine with it too—folks who agree on how to handle terrorists, but just want more generous social welfare. I don’t think its a real dividing line in the electorate.
- inigyou 1mo agoNote that democrats and republicans are both right-wing parties.
- podocarp 1mo agoIndeed, it's absurd people still have this left/right standoff. Boggled my mind as a kid in history class that the Republicans somehow wanted to free slaves in the past but are all in on bombing the crap out of iraq. Well, guess there's no real code or manifesto to follow. It's almost like they're just saying whatever the heck they have to just to get elected, after that all bets are off.