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So your personal computer was not tied to a specific OS and you were easily about to get a refund for the license cost of the OS that shipped in box. So what’s

So your personal computer was not tied to a specific OS and you were easily about to get a refund for the license cost of the OS that shipped in box. So what’s the issue? Do you want hardware to ship without any software?

megous 1mo ago
Ideally. Normaly if you build a computer, there will not be any OS on a random SSD you buy for it. And it's fine. Do I have to build my own laptop to get this nice experience on a laptop?
- close04 1mo ago
  > Normaly if you build a computer, there will not be any OS on a random SSD you buy for it. That's why so many people go with pre-built and don't even care about wiping and reinstalling the OS to get rid of the bloat. They want a fully functioning product from the moment they power it on so having the OS is a big deal.
  - megous 1mo ago
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  - leni536 1mo ago
    It's OK as an option, even as a default, Just give me a dropdown with "blank" as an option too.
    - buran77 1mo ago
      Even without Microsoft's interference, it would still complicate logistics. Two OS options means double the number of SKUs. Some manufacturers offer this option but I wouldn't hold my breath that retailers want to bother.
      - inigyou 1mo ago
        Is it still different SKUs if it's easily convertible from one to the other?
        buran77 1mo ago
        Yes, Amazon and other retailers will have one laptop with OS, one laptop without. They need to track two different SKUs even if the conversion is easy. When upgradeable, SSD or RAM are also easily "convertible" but the SKU still needs to uniquely identify that "thing" that you have in stock or in the manufacturing pipeline.
      - account42 1mo ago
        That sounds like excuses. They could even make it pre-installed but require to enter a code on first boot to unlock the encrypted HDD if they really wanted a single hardware SKU but I doubt that it would be a real problem in the first place.

megous 1mo ago

Ideally. Normaly if you build a computer, there will not be any OS on a random SSD you buy for it. And it's fine. Do I have to build my own laptop to get this nice experience on a laptop?

close04 1mo ago
> Normaly if you build a computer, there will not be any OS on a random SSD you buy for it. That's why so many people go with pre-built and don't even care about wiping and reinstalling the OS to get rid of the bloat. They want a fully functioning product from the moment they power it on so having the OS is a big deal.
- megous 1mo ago
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- leni536 1mo ago
  It's OK as an option, even as a default, Just give me a dropdown with "blank" as an option too.
  - buran77 1mo ago
    Even without Microsoft's interference, it would still complicate logistics. Two OS options means double the number of SKUs. Some manufacturers offer this option but I wouldn't hold my breath that retailers want to bother.
    - inigyou 1mo ago
      Is it still different SKUs if it's easily convertible from one to the other?
      - buran77 1mo ago
        Yes, Amazon and other retailers will have one laptop with OS, one laptop without. They need to track two different SKUs even if the conversion is easy. When upgradeable, SSD or RAM are also easily "convertible" but the SKU still needs to uniquely identify that "thing" that you have in stock or in the manufacturing pipeline.
    - account42 1mo ago
      That sounds like excuses. They could even make it pre-installed but require to enter a code on first boot to unlock the encrypted HDD if they really wanted a single hardware SKU but I doubt that it would be a real problem in the first place.