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Servers, connection and maintenance costs... That is what they do. Read the manifesto. > We react by providing a platform and tools for digital self-defense ad

by mdp2021 2mo ago

Servers, connection and maintenance costs... That is what they do. Read the manifesto. > We react by providing a platform and tools for digital self-defense addressing the need of free communication for activists and other individuals Yes, they select the users. But clearly to exclude services to those they would judge as bad actors!

aliasxneo 2mo ago
So you're in it purely for freedom of expression? I can get behind that, but after reading further it doesn't seem like they are about that at all, but rather are extremely selective and it has nothing to do with "bad acting."
- mdp2021 2mo ago
  > reading further ... extremely selective and it has nothing to do with What paragraphs inclined you to think that?
  - aliasxneo 2mo ago
    > To be hosted on our servers you have to share our principles of anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia, anti-transphobia, and anti-militarism. Those stated beliefs are shockingly close to far-leftism. So I'm guessing the same radical exclusionary zeal is also being applied here. Also, for clarity, I'm not taking those definitions literally, but rather as dog whistles for a very specific group of people (I'm from the Portland, OR area and I'm _very_ familiar with this group that has been terrorizing my poor city).
    - mdp2021 2mo ago
      > very specific group of people These are Italians. There are all possibilities the spirits are different - unless globalization (of information and communication, "of culture") had merged the two.
    - 2legit2quit 2mo ago
      >I'm not taking those definitions literally Given that fascism had quite the bloodied history in Italy (see: Mussolini), and we're talking about a group literally based in Italy, why wouldn't you? Is it because you were unaware of said history in Italy and never experienced fascism first-hand, yourself?
      - aliasxneo 2mo ago
        Why did you pick one thing on the list and ignore all of the others?
        inigyou 2mo ago
        That's a standard anti-gish-gallop tactic.
        mdp2021 2mo ago
        Very probably because he took all the others for granted and thought that only the one he got explicit about was that which some may perceive as odd.
        2legit2quit 2mo ago
        > Why did you pick one thing on the list and ignore all of the others? Pointing out the solipsism of your take with a single "thing" was enough to demonstrate your myopic world view, I thought, however we can expound upon that further by covering them all. Would you care to address the first "thing", before we continue on?
    - inigyou 2mo ago
      Which group of people are you taking it as a dog whistle for?
    - inigyou 2mo ago
      Is it really radical or exclusionary to say no racists allowed, no sexists allowed? I don't think so.
      - mdp2021 2mo ago
        It may be (it also depends on the details that had the evaluator label the excluded) - but I think that "my property, my guests - my selected guests". With exclusions which are in fact legally mandated in some territories - but in general, especially when the service is more informal, those I could lend a toothbrush to will be part of a selected number.
- inigyou 2mo ago
  If you are helping only certain people express freely is that not still helping freedom of expression? Should a blog platform be forced to help everyone express themselves or no one?

by mdp2021 2mo ago

aliasxneo 2mo ago

So you're in it purely for freedom of expression? I can get behind that, but after reading further it doesn't seem like they are about that at all, but rather are extremely selective and it has nothing to do with "bad acting."

mdp2021 2mo ago
> reading further ... extremely selective and it has nothing to do with What paragraphs inclined you to think that?
- aliasxneo 2mo ago
  > To be hosted on our servers you have to share our principles of anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia, anti-transphobia, and anti-militarism. Those stated beliefs are shockingly close to far-leftism. So I'm guessing the same radical exclusionary zeal is also being applied here. Also, for clarity, I'm not taking those definitions literally, but rather as dog whistles for a very specific group of people (I'm from the Portland, OR area and I'm _very_ familiar with this group that has been terrorizing my poor city).
  - mdp2021 2mo ago
    > very specific group of people These are Italians. There are all possibilities the spirits are different - unless globalization (of information and communication, "of culture") had merged the two.
  - 2legit2quit 2mo ago
    >I'm not taking those definitions literally Given that fascism had quite the bloodied history in Italy (see: Mussolini), and we're talking about a group literally based in Italy, why wouldn't you? Is it because you were unaware of said history in Italy and never experienced fascism first-hand, yourself?
    - aliasxneo 2mo ago
      Why did you pick one thing on the list and ignore all of the others?
      - inigyou 2mo ago
        That's a standard anti-gish-gallop tactic.
      - mdp2021 2mo ago
        Very probably because he took all the others for granted and thought that only the one he got explicit about was that which some may perceive as odd.
      - 2legit2quit 2mo ago
        > Why did you pick one thing on the list and ignore all of the others? Pointing out the solipsism of your take with a single "thing" was enough to demonstrate your myopic world view, I thought, however we can expound upon that further by covering them all. Would you care to address the first "thing", before we continue on?
  - inigyou 2mo ago
    Which group of people are you taking it as a dog whistle for?
  - inigyou 2mo ago
    Is it really radical or exclusionary to say no racists allowed, no sexists allowed? I don't think so.
    - mdp2021 2mo ago
      It may be (it also depends on the details that had the evaluator label the excluded) - but I think that "my property, my guests - my selected guests". With exclusions which are in fact legally mandated in some territories - but in general, especially when the service is more informal, those I could lend a toothbrush to will be part of a selected number.
inigyou 2mo ago
If you are helping only certain people express freely is that not still helping freedom of expression? Should a blog platform be forced to help everyone express themselves or no one?