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Damaging property for political ends has been part of the definition in the UK, and I think the US, for decades. I would say the case for targetting military eq
by graemep 2mo ago
Damaging property for political ends has been part of the definition in the UK, and I think the US, for decades. I would say the case for targetting military equipment is stronger than for damaging most other things.
> This is simply armed conflict.
Armed conflict by residents and citizens against the state is usually a serious criminal offense everywhere.
- slowin 2mo ago> Damaging property for political ends has been part of the definition in the UK, and I think the US, for decades. Does that include property in Gaza, the West Bank or Lebanon? Because if the people who spray painted something are "terrorists", I want to know what the people who wiped Rafah off the face of the earth are called. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah
- retromario 2mo agoColinizers?
- antonvs 2mo agoThe correct term is genocidal monsters. Israelis and others who support this have shown that the lesson they took from the Holocaust is that they believe it's morally fine as long as they're the ones doing the killing.
- roughly 2mo ago> Armed conflict by residents and citizens against the state is usually a serious criminal offense everywhere. I think it’s worth considering that you’re much more likely to be a resident or a citizen than a state when you’re deciding how you feel about these kinds of things.
- KPGv2 2mo ago> Damaging property for political ends Damaging military equipment is a military end, not a political one. If it were otherwise, then a military attacking a military would definitionally be terrorism. At that point, you've removed the utility of the word "terrorism" from English and made it synonymous with "armed conflict." Terrorism being done chiefly to change policies by terrorizing people through symbolic acts is a constrained, generally-accepted definition of terrorism. Contrast with 9/11, where symbols of American capitalism, filled with civilians, were attacked in order to terrify people who have nothing to do with those buildings into supporting changes in policy that hurt the US.
- vorpalhex 2mo agoI suppose the UK could declare Palestine Action as combatants and hunt them down and shoot them.. but that doesn't seem very uh, appropriate. I sort of prefer them being arrested and going through courts.
- FabCH 2mo agoNote that the UK would be committing war crimes in this case, since you are not allowed to murder unarmed soldiers, you are supposed to capture them and put them in POW camps. Which is typically called „arresting“ when a government does it to their own citizens…
- vorpalhex 2mo agoPA was armed. > you are not allowed to murder unarmed soldiers, That's also false, you can absolutely kill unarmed combatants so long as they remain combatants. Eg you can bomb an artillery crew even if they don't have sidearms. To be eligible for capture, a combatant must generally surrender. > typically called „arresting“ when a government does it to their own citizens I encourage you to read up on POW camps. There are no attorneys or rights. You may work POWs. There are cases in which food and medical aid can be severely limited depending on how it is sourced. You may hold POWs functionally forever.
- FabCH 2mo agoAn artillery crew is armed with the cannon. POWs don’t have attorneys, but they do have rights. Limiting food and medical aid is a war crime. Of course, everybody routinely violates the rights of POWs, and only the losers ever get prosecuted.
- echoangle 2mo agoSource that you wouldn’t be allowed to kill unarmed enemy soldiers? Imagine a scouting team doing reconnaissance, surely you’re allowed to attack and kill them?
- anigbrowl 2mo agoWell the definition is flawed, or as the British say, the law is an ass. Terrorism is widely understood to be the deployment of military force against civilian populations. Of course states do this all the time, but 'state terrorism' is basically dependent on whether politicians in country A align with country B or not; if they don't, they'll call out state abuses in country B as state terrorism, if not they'll say it's law and order. Regardless of these nuances, extending the definition to include any kind of property damage is just laughably opportunist.
- veeti 2mo ago>any kind of property "Any kind" is quite the load bearing argument there. Let me remind you Europe is under an ongoing land invasion, which is why fucking with its defensive capabilities is unlikely to solicit much sympathies.
- inigyou 2mo agoYou mean Russia invading Ukraine, right? Were these jets helping Ukraine or were they helping Israel?
- graemep 2mo agoNeither. They were part of anti-ISIS/ISIL operations.
- anigbrowl 2mo agoIn Europe?
- echoangle 2mo agoBad argument. If you sabotage military equipment in Europe, obviously you also indirectly lower the military potential of that army somewhere else. The planes in Europe aren’t there to be paperweights, they are either being maintained there for service or are there as a deterrent and need to be reinforced by other planes when damaged.
- hackable_sand 2mo agoYou cannot hide behind convenience.
- inigyou 2mo agoTerrorising means causing terror. I have no real reason to be afraid of Palestine Action, because I am not a military jet.
- harimau777 2mo agoJust because it's part of the government's definition doesn't mean that it's true. It's in the government's interest to define as much as possible as terrorism.