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Can I ask what you're hoping the organization does with that money? I'm genuinely interested in understanding what the expected outcome is.

mdp2021 1mo ago
Servers, connection and maintenance costs... That is what they do. Read the manifesto. > We react by providing a platform and tools for digital self-defense addressing the need of free communication for activists and other individuals Yes, they select the users. But clearly to exclude services to those they would judge as bad actors!
- aliasxneo 1mo ago
  So you're in it purely for freedom of expression? I can get behind that, but after reading further it doesn't seem like they are about that at all, but rather are extremely selective and it has nothing to do with "bad acting."
  - mdp2021 1mo ago
    > reading further ... extremely selective and it has nothing to do with What paragraphs inclined you to think that?
    - aliasxneo 1mo ago
      > To be hosted on our servers you have to share our principles of anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia, anti-transphobia, and anti-militarism. Those stated beliefs are shockingly close to far-leftism. So I'm guessing the same radical exclusionary zeal is also being applied here. Also, for clarity, I'm not taking those definitions literally, but rather as dog whistles for a very specific group of people (I'm from the Portland, OR area and I'm _very_ familiar with this group that has been terrorizing my poor city).
      - mdp2021 1mo ago
        > very specific group of people These are Italians. There are all possibilities the spirits are different - unless globalization (of information and communication, "of culture") had merged the two.
      - 2legit2quit 1mo ago
        >I'm not taking those definitions literally Given that fascism had quite the bloodied history in Italy (see: Mussolini), and we're talking about a group literally based in Italy, why wouldn't you? Is it because you were unaware of said history in Italy and never experienced fascism first-hand, yourself?
        aliasxneo 1mo ago
        Why did you pick one thing on the list and ignore all of the others?
        inigyou 1mo ago
        That's a standard anti-gish-gallop tactic.
        mdp2021 1mo ago
        Very probably because he took all the others for granted and thought that only the one he got explicit about was that which some may perceive as odd.
        2legit2quit 1mo ago
        > Why did you pick one thing on the list and ignore all of the others? Pointing out the solipsism of your take with a single "thing" was enough to demonstrate your myopic world view, I thought, however we can expound upon that further by covering them all. Would you care to address the first "thing", before we continue on?
      - inigyou 1mo ago
        Which group of people are you taking it as a dog whistle for?
  - inigyou 1mo ago
    If you are helping only certain people express freely is that not still helping freedom of expression? Should a blog platform be forced to help everyone express themselves or no one?

mdp2021 1mo ago

Servers, connection and maintenance costs... That is what they do. Read the manifesto. > We react by providing a platform and tools for digital self-defense addressing the need of free communication for activists and other individuals Yes, they select the users. But clearly to exclude services to those they would judge as bad actors!

aliasxneo 1mo ago
So you're in it purely for freedom of expression? I can get behind that, but after reading further it doesn't seem like they are about that at all, but rather are extremely selective and it has nothing to do with "bad acting."
- mdp2021 1mo ago
  > reading further ... extremely selective and it has nothing to do with What paragraphs inclined you to think that?
  - aliasxneo 1mo ago
    > To be hosted on our servers you have to share our principles of anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia, anti-transphobia, and anti-militarism. Those stated beliefs are shockingly close to far-leftism. So I'm guessing the same radical exclusionary zeal is also being applied here. Also, for clarity, I'm not taking those definitions literally, but rather as dog whistles for a very specific group of people (I'm from the Portland, OR area and I'm _very_ familiar with this group that has been terrorizing my poor city).
    - mdp2021 1mo ago
      > very specific group of people These are Italians. There are all possibilities the spirits are different - unless globalization (of information and communication, "of culture") had merged the two.
    - 2legit2quit 1mo ago
      >I'm not taking those definitions literally Given that fascism had quite the bloodied history in Italy (see: Mussolini), and we're talking about a group literally based in Italy, why wouldn't you? Is it because you were unaware of said history in Italy and never experienced fascism first-hand, yourself?
      - aliasxneo 1mo ago
        Why did you pick one thing on the list and ignore all of the others?
        inigyou 1mo ago
        That's a standard anti-gish-gallop tactic.
        mdp2021 1mo ago
        Very probably because he took all the others for granted and thought that only the one he got explicit about was that which some may perceive as odd.
        2legit2quit 1mo ago
        > Why did you pick one thing on the list and ignore all of the others? Pointing out the solipsism of your take with a single "thing" was enough to demonstrate your myopic world view, I thought, however we can expound upon that further by covering them all. Would you care to address the first "thing", before we continue on?
    - inigyou 1mo ago
      Which group of people are you taking it as a dog whistle for?
- inigyou 1mo ago
  If you are helping only certain people express freely is that not still helping freedom of expression? Should a blog platform be forced to help everyone express themselves or no one?