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I think it would be an important historical document as well. We are potentially looking at the dawn of AGI and one of the most important models ever created. E

I think it would be an important historical document as well. We are potentially looking at the dawn of AGI and one of the most important models ever created. Each model is also a kind of ultimate time capsule, containing a snapshot of the entire human collective mind. If you wanted to ask a 2002 person what they thought about future historical events you can just ask them directly.

tough 1mo ago
> If you wanted to ask a 2002 person what they thought about future historical events you can just ask them directly. The weights arent the truth tho, maybe a timecapsule-vhs but i wouldnt trust llm weights more than more hardcore deterministic media that might get preserved to infer facts from an era. The companies doing the training are becoming the "winners" that are "rewriting history" as they train their models.
- afiori 1mo ago
  True, but in a sense a single frontier model of today would be of incredible historical significance in the far away future.
Breza 1mo ago
I agree that they are historically important, but if you want to query old thinking in 2070, you'd probably be better off having a modern model analyze archive.org. If that ever goes down, we're sunk.
latexr 1mo ago
> containing a snapshot of the entire human collective mind. I say this with kindness: Anyone who believes this absolutely needs to turn off their computer for the week, go outside, travel a bit, and experience reality with other humans outside their regular bubble. The “entire human collective mind” is not digital. It’s not on the internet. These models could’ve syphoned literally every piece of digital media in existence and still wouldn’t have it. People don’t exist inside computers, and it is naive to believe the sum of what’s online makes the sum of the human experience. It doesn’t.

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I think it would be an important historical document as well. We are potentially looking at the dawn of AGI and one of the most important models ever created. E

by futureshock 1mo ago

tough 1mo ago
> If you wanted to ask a 2002 person what they thought about future historical events you can just ask them directly. The weights arent the truth tho, maybe a timecapsule-vhs but i wouldnt trust llm weights more than more hardcore deterministic media that might get preserved to infer facts from an era. The companies doing the training are becoming the "winners" that are "rewriting history" as they train their models.
- afiori 1mo ago
  True, but in a sense a single frontier model of today would be of incredible historical significance in the far away future.
Breza 1mo ago
I agree that they are historically important, but if you want to query old thinking in 2070, you'd probably be better off having a modern model analyze archive.org. If that ever goes down, we're sunk.
latexr 1mo ago
> containing a snapshot of the entire human collective mind. I say this with kindness: Anyone who believes this absolutely needs to turn off their computer for the week, go outside, travel a bit, and experience reality with other humans outside their regular bubble. The “entire human collective mind” is not digital. It’s not on the internet. These models could’ve syphoned literally every piece of digital media in existence and still wouldn’t have it. People don’t exist inside computers, and it is naive to believe the sum of what’s online makes the sum of the human experience. It doesn’t.