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No, very clearly in the graph in that link it only bumped the rate of births for about 3 years before it very clearly returned to it's previous trajectory. It

No, very clearly in the graph in that link it only bumped the rate of births for about 3 years before it very clearly returned to it's previous trajectory. It did not change the overall trend because radical anti-abortion measures like that do not change people's desire to have kids.

strenholme 1mo ago
You have a different definition of “work” than I do. For people in the peanut gallery, here is the chart we’re looking at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Birth-death_RO.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Birth-death_RO.svg Unfortunately, the data for this chart is not sourced. As one can see, births were at or above pre-decree levels after Decree 770 was passed, and only went below pre-decree levels when the decree was dismantled in 1989. The 1970s downward slope is much less steep than the 1960s pre-decree downward slope. In the 1980s, there was no downward slope whatsoever. Fertility stayed at roughly pre-decree levels before plummeting once the decree was ended. At no point while Decree 770 was in effect did we have a birthrate that “very clearly returned to it's [sic] previous trajectory”. Now, let’s go back to what I was replying to when I brought up Decree 770. “Our birthrate has been below replacement” said one poster, and in a reply “You're assuming the birthrate can be "fixed"”. Decree 770 fixed the issue I was replying to: Birthrate being below replacement. Pre-decree, Romania’s birthrate was on a downward path, and would had been below death rates by the early 1970s. Because of the decree, the birth rate stayed above replacement rates until it was repealed in 1989. Decree 770 increased fertility. It kept fertility above death rates. I have already posted elsewhere why Decree 770 was a very bad idea. This will be my final reply to @mrguyorama. They do not come off as someone willing to admit when they are wrong about something.
- strenholme 1mo ago
  Talking to myself, doing some research inspired by my reply above, I came across this: https://decreechronicles.com/guardians-of-the-decree-the-hidden-world-of-the-anti-abortion-enforcers/ https://decreechronicles.com/guardians-of-the-decree-the-hid... I mention fertility rates remained constant in the 1980s. Now I know why fertility rates didn’t go down back in that era. In the year 1984, Romania took a page from Orwell’s 1984: All medical units were put under surveillance to minimize the number of illegal abortions. There was now a secret “Thought Police” in 1984 monitoring all doctors and nurses to make sure no abortions slipped through the cracks. The number of abortion related convictions in 1986 doubled compared to 1985. Just like 1984, not only did a hidden thought police find these people doing illegal abortions, but people would report on their neighbors. Romania was able to stop the 1970s fertility decline (which, again, was a good deal less steep than the fertility decline when abortions were legal) in the 1980s by going full Orwell and clamping down the screws.

strenholme 1mo ago

You have a different definition of “work” than I do. For people in the peanut gallery, here is the chart we’re looking at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Birth-death_RO.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Birth-death_RO.svg Unfortunately, the data for this chart is not sourced. As one can see, births were at or above pre-decree levels after Decree 770 was passed, and only went below pre-decree levels when the decree was dismantled in 1989. The 1970s downward slope is much less steep than the 1960s pre-decree downward slope. In the 1980s, there was no downward slope whatsoever. Fertility stayed at roughly pre-decree levels before plummeting once the decree was ended. At no point while Decree 770 was in effect did we have a birthrate that “very clearly returned to it's [sic] previous trajectory”. Now, let’s go back to what I was replying to when I brought up Decree 770. “Our birthrate has been below replacement” said one poster, and in a reply “You're assuming the birthrate can be "fixed"”. Decree 770 fixed the issue I was replying to: Birthrate being below replacement. Pre-decree, Romania’s birthrate was on a downward path, and would had been below death rates by the early 1970s. Because of the decree, the birth rate stayed above replacement rates until it was repealed in 1989. Decree 770 increased fertility. It kept fertility above death rates. I have already posted elsewhere why Decree 770 was a very bad idea. This will be my final reply to @mrguyorama. They do not come off as someone willing to admit when they are wrong about something.

strenholme 1mo ago
Talking to myself, doing some research inspired by my reply above, I came across this: https://decreechronicles.com/guardians-of-the-decree-the-hidden-world-of-the-anti-abortion-enforcers/ https://decreechronicles.com/guardians-of-the-decree-the-hid... I mention fertility rates remained constant in the 1980s. Now I know why fertility rates didn’t go down back in that era. In the year 1984, Romania took a page from Orwell’s 1984: All medical units were put under surveillance to minimize the number of illegal abortions. There was now a secret “Thought Police” in 1984 monitoring all doctors and nurses to make sure no abortions slipped through the cracks. The number of abortion related convictions in 1986 doubled compared to 1985. Just like 1984, not only did a hidden thought police find these people doing illegal abortions, but people would report on their neighbors. Romania was able to stop the 1970s fertility decline (which, again, was a good deal less steep than the fertility decline when abortions were legal) in the 1980s by going full Orwell and clamping down the screws.