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It literally is just a cartoon villain plan. The AI companies look at something called the "Acid Rain Program" and think to themselves "Fuck that, what's a bit
by sensanaty 2mo ago
It literally is just a cartoon villain plan. The AI companies look at something called the "Acid Rain Program" and think to themselves "Fuck that, what's a bit of acid rain going to do?". I truly cannot comprehend the mindset here as hard as I try
- Avicebron 2mo agoI think you nailed the mindset with the "cartoon villain".
- lvspiff 2mo agoLess Snydley Whiplash and more the pig guy from captain planet though
- Schlagbohrer 2mo agoBoth of whom could happily sit together on a corporate board. It's just capitalism!
- sterlind 2mo agoHoggish Greedly if memory serves. Regardless of one's politics Captain Planet is so campy it's fun to watch MST3K-style. Remember Linka from the Soviet Union? "Imperialist pigs!"
- consensus1 2mo agoThe AI companies look at something called the "endless government bureaucracy" and they think to themselves "fuck that, I'm not waiting 10 years for all that bullshit, I'll just use the loophole." I truly cannot comprehend any other reaction because I would rather have my fingernails ripped out than deal with years of government bureaucracy.
- Muromec 2mo agoI would rather take /them/ going through fingernail ripping government bureaucracy for 10 years over /me/ having acid raid, but hey, I'm just a egoistical and don't see the Big Picture or something.
- ahartmetz 2mo ago>Big picture Well, if you juuust let the rich get richer, something (intentionally left unspecified) will trickle down on you.
- Schlagbohrer 2mo agoGovernment beauracracy, which provides things like democratic oversight, environmental protection, enforcing power grid standards and interoperability, construction regulations, etc? Would you rather we just didn't have those things?
- malfist 2mo agoYou're not thinking like a techbro. My startup shouldn't have to adhere to those regulations, but everyone else should. In fact, once my startup gets established we should make even more regulations
- rangestransform 2mo agoIt should be mind numbingly trivial to stand up a solar farm and ram through some transmission lines in the desert, and mind numbingly hard to set up a temporary gas generator. We needed regulatory exemptions yesterday for clean energy, public transit, and EV charging.
- TitaRusell 2mo agoOh it would be if AI actually made money. Turns out all those companies cheap out and don't actually want to put down the 20 billion for a nuclear reactor- which should be trivial if they were really the future!
- SR2Z 2mo agoThey have billions of dollars, they're short on TIME. They want computers in racks now and (rightfully imo) look at yearslong approval processes with disgust. Look at Ashburn, VA - they extract loads of money from these companies, and they keep getting investments because constructing new datacenters is easy thanks to state laws. It's not about the money here it's about the time.
- bigbadfeline 2mo ago> They want computers in racks now and (rightfully imo) look at yearslong approval processes with disgust. Disgust of the rules for me but not for thee? The rest of us have to follow the rules, but not them. How about disgust for actual pollution? They could build clean, quiet and fast if "> It's not about the money it's about the time" It doesn't add up, like at all.
- root_axis 2mo agoWhat you label "government bureaucracy" is very often environmental protections working as intended. One AI company's "bullshit" is another citizen's "clean air and water". Since the AI companies don't care about those negative externalities, the government can act help to mitigate the damage.
- inamorty 2mo agoDo you get upset when staff have to wash their hands at your local eatery?
- Jweb_Guru 2mo agoEmployees at the companies that do this stuff know exactly what these regulations are for and are violating them quite deliberately. They don't actually think it's "government bureaucracy" whatever they tell the public.
- folkrav 2mo agoWhy am I still surprised to see such braindead takes on this site
- discreteevent 2mo ago> I would rather have my fingernails ripped out than deal with years of government bureaucracy. These are just words. What matters are your actions. Your action is that you will cause other people to suffer pollution in order to enrich yourself. Why can't you stand up like a man and just say that that is what you want to do? And if you say "I am doing this to benefit humanity who need even more AI so badly" - Well those are also just words.
- consensus1 2mo agoWho is causing what here? If there is no demand for those services then the data center will sit there idle and cause no pollution. You can't consume services that cause pollution without accepting your share of the responsibility.
- malvim 2mo agoYeah, username checks out
- btbuildem 2mo ago> truly cannot comprehend the mindset The mindset is "if I could harvest your organs for profit I absolutely would, and I would make it illegal to protest against it"
- tclancy 2mo agoThat’s completely unfair. They would also rent the organs back to us on a subscription plan.
- Ekaros 2mo agoDo not forget loans with APR starting at 24%. Recourse of course. With the collateral taken back if payments fail.
- orbifold 2mo agoStep 1: steal all of the worlds IP and make a judge rule it is fair use Step 2: declare end of the Anthropocene (defined by man made influence on earth), while simultaneously accelerating mass extinction Step 3: ??? Step 4: Profit?
- underlipton 2mo agoThey definitely use three exclamation points instead of that last question mark.
- hn_throwaway_99 2mo ago"Cartoon villainy" is the best possible way to describe this administration. I'm more than willing to accept lots of policy differences, but so many decisions just seem tailor made to fuck over 95%+ of the public. Like how could any sane person defend this? It remains to be seen if the administration doesn't successfully steal future elections, but the vitriol against data centers is a rare thing that has huge bipartisan support. Texas of all places largely has a competitive governor's race because Republicans have stated they're willing to vote for the Democratic candidate because she has supported a moratorium on data centers while Abbott supports them.
- rayiner 2mo agoWhen it comes to laws, do you just look at the title of the law, or do you look at the actual statute and regulations to see what the law applies to and what it doesn’t? Does a “vehicle inspection program” meant for commercial trucks apply to your car just because the title fits? In this case, there is a 25 year old regulation that specifies what this program applies to and what it doesn’t. https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-40/chapter-I/subchapter-C/part-72/subpart-A/section-72.6 https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-40/chapter-I/subchapter-C...
- solid_fuel 2mo agoBlah blah blah. Yap yap yap. It’s funny how the laws always apply until it’s a rich fucker breaking them. You might be fine with skirting the technicalities, but the rest of us have to live here and breathe the air.
- rayiner 2mo agoThese aren’t “technicalities.” What types of activities the laws apply to is a central aspect of every regulatory regime.
- solid_fuel 2mo agoThey are technicalities, because the intent of the law is clean air. A carve out for temporary generators is clearly not intended to allow megawatts of permanent generation to operate outside of the regulatory umbrella and abuse of it is allowing the rich to skate by on a technicality.
- rayiner 2mo ago> They are technicalities, because the intent of the law is clean air. That’s not how laws work, especially the Clean Air Act. “There are no solutions. There are only tradeoffs.” (https://ozgengungor.medium.com/one-of-those-quotes-thomas-sowell-on-trade-offs-2ed3e1c3c6c3 https://ozgengungor.medium.com/one-of-those-quotes-thomas-so...). The Clean Air Act was not designed to achieve cleaner air at any cost, but instead to achieve targeted pollution control that would have the greatest value at acceptable cost. The modern structure of the act was set in place in 1970 under Nixon, and is full of legislative compromises to balance incremental benefits to air quality against burden on industry.