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its very much using the letter to violate the spirit - since the pollution is emitted regardless of whether the plant is grid-connected. these datacenter plants

its very much using the letter to violate the spirit - since the pollution is emitted regardless of whether the plant is grid-connected. these datacenter plants don't run as clean or as efficient as proper power plants, but the primary acid rain contributor is no2. how much are we really talking about?

andsoitis 1mo ago
> its very much using the letter That’s how law works.
- convolvatron 1mo ago
  apparently you're very excited about this partisan victory. at some point we do need to actually think about how to effectively manage the country. there should be a back and forth about the appropriate degree of environmental regulation since it is a tradeoff between economic constraint and qualify of life. I grew up in the 70s, and my father was a Nixon supporting environmental engineer. At the time the amount of nitrogen and sulfur being emitted into the air in the northeast was turning surface water into acid. a ph of 6 was getting quite common, 4 wasn't unusual, and if you were in a bad spot it was approaching 1. Not only would that water not support life, or be unsafe to drink, but it was actually unsafe to touch. So if we were reasonable people we would look at the economic activity and the upside of burning these gasses, and add up the numbers and based on past experience make a very reasonable estimate of the impact, and make a decision. but we fired all those people, and we're very much not interested in having this discussion. I fail to see how that's a win for anyone except the polluter.
  - andsoitis 1mo ago
    > apparently you're very excited about this partisan victory. Labor unions are lobbying for it. Most of the AI leaders vote Democratic. Users of these tools (corporate and consumer) are all over the political spectrum. Tell us more why you think this is a partisan victory?
- Marazan 1mo ago
  No it isn't. Otherwise the entire concept of Original Intent would be dead in the water rather than a cornerstone of how multiple federal judges all the way to the Supreme court rule on cases.
  - andsoitis 1mo ago
    [flagged]
brandonagr2 1mo ago
What are you basing your they are not as clean assertion on? It's more likely that data center generation can be run continuously instead of turning on and off according to market prices. Can see the swing in amount of natural gas production during a day, https://www.gridstatus.io/live/ercot https://www.gridstatus.io/live/ercot
- convolvatron 1mo ago
  just type 'single cycle gas plant efficiency and emissions vs combined cycle' into google

andsoitis 1mo ago

> its very much using the letter That’s how law works.

convolvatron 1mo ago
apparently you're very excited about this partisan victory. at some point we do need to actually think about how to effectively manage the country. there should be a back and forth about the appropriate degree of environmental regulation since it is a tradeoff between economic constraint and qualify of life. I grew up in the 70s, and my father was a Nixon supporting environmental engineer. At the time the amount of nitrogen and sulfur being emitted into the air in the northeast was turning surface water into acid. a ph of 6 was getting quite common, 4 wasn't unusual, and if you were in a bad spot it was approaching 1. Not only would that water not support life, or be unsafe to drink, but it was actually unsafe to touch. So if we were reasonable people we would look at the economic activity and the upside of burning these gasses, and add up the numbers and based on past experience make a very reasonable estimate of the impact, and make a decision. but we fired all those people, and we're very much not interested in having this discussion. I fail to see how that's a win for anyone except the polluter.
- andsoitis 1mo ago
  > apparently you're very excited about this partisan victory. Labor unions are lobbying for it. Most of the AI leaders vote Democratic. Users of these tools (corporate and consumer) are all over the political spectrum. Tell us more why you think this is a partisan victory?
Marazan 1mo ago
No it isn't. Otherwise the entire concept of Original Intent would be dead in the water rather than a cornerstone of how multiple federal judges all the way to the Supreme court rule on cases.
- andsoitis 1mo ago
  [flagged]

brandonagr2 1mo ago

What are you basing your they are not as clean assertion on? It's more likely that data center generation can be run continuously instead of turning on and off according to market prices. Can see the swing in amount of natural gas production during a day, https://www.gridstatus.io/live/ercot https://www.gridstatus.io/live/ercot

convolvatron 1mo ago
just type 'single cycle gas plant efficiency and emissions vs combined cycle' into google