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I have been door knocking in a swing county in Wisconsin, and the first question we ask is, "what is the top issue you care about?" I've had one person say "the

I have been door knocking in a swing county in Wisconsin, and the first question we ask is, "what is the top issue you care about?" I've had one person say "the environment", and a couple have said, "what's happening in America right now." Almost everyone else answers "cost of living". So if you're waiting for things to change, you will be waiting a while. Historically, something like 3.5 percent of the population need to be really engaged to make change happen, and the US isn't there right now, because we're all on our computers. The election coming up is an important one, so if you want to do something, start door knocking, become an election judge, sign up to be an observer at the polls, donate money. Indivisible is doing a lot of great, local, on-the-ground stuff, join your local chapter.

pennomi 1mo ago
The reason so few people care about climate change is that so few people truly understand it. They can see the grocery and housing bills, but CO2 in the atmosphere is some sort of invisible bogeyman to them, even though it’s a catastrophe waiting to happen.
- criddell 1mo ago
  Lots of people understand the problem and even then it's hard to get them to care because the personal harm vs utility balance is so uneven. If I drive my car around today I contribute an infinitesimally small amount to the climate change problem while enjoying tremendous utility.
abeppu 1mo ago
I think we gotta get people to see past the false dichotomy: part of their increased cost of living is due to climate change: - your home insurance is more expensive b/c fire/hurricane/etc risk is worse in your state - and you probably don't have flood insurance but the risks there are worse too - your electricity bill is worse b/c you're using AC more b/c it's hotter - climate change does have healthcare impacts, including expanded geographic range of a bunch of vector-borne illnesses, as well as acute issues during heat events. Even if you're not directly one of these patients, your health insurance costs will increase in part due to these risks. - replacing key infrastructure which is damaged by extreme weather is expensive - during extreme weather events, your ability to earn may be disrupted - and every business you spend at also has increased costs due to the same factors, which they pass on to you It turns out that multiple generations of emitting without paying attention to the externalities has created literal costs that we _all_ now bear, and these costs will continue to increase.
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haizhung 1mo ago
I’ve come to understand the inequality crisis (which manifests itself as a cost-of-living crisis for most people) as one of the root causes for the poly-crisis we are living through. For climate change, I can totally understand how a household struggling to feed their kids will reject messaging of the form „oh and btw you also need to stop driving your car and heat your home lest the planet dies“. Of course they will revolt against that. To me, fundamentally, the west MUST solve the inequality crisis first before we can ever hope of solving any of the other problems. People need slack to care about the environment, their neighbors, peace, etc. And the other aspect of it is fairness - people rightfully look at the top, say „well the billionaires are jetting all around the globe and no one gives a fuck, why should I cut my holidays?“ We need to fix inequality first, and I project that most other issues we have today will magically resolve themselves.
jfengel 1mo ago
I did a bunch of door-knocking, for Obama and Clinton, and it didn't feel like I was doing any good. Everybody had long since made up their minds. It's not like these are hard choices. Either you view the differences as stark and obvious, or you think that it's all the same (and I'm never going to persuade you otherwise). I don't think I garnered even a single vote, and quite a few expressed aggravation. Is your experience different?
- egonschiele 1mo ago
  There are still swing voters and it is worth fighting for them! Also helpful to just remind people they need to vote. Typically, there is less turnout in midterms.

pennomi 1mo ago

The reason so few people care about climate change is that so few people truly understand it. They can see the grocery and housing bills, but CO2 in the atmosphere is some sort of invisible bogeyman to them, even though it’s a catastrophe waiting to happen.

criddell 1mo ago
Lots of people understand the problem and even then it's hard to get them to care because the personal harm vs utility balance is so uneven. If I drive my car around today I contribute an infinitesimally small amount to the climate change problem while enjoying tremendous utility.

abeppu 1mo ago

I think we gotta get people to see past the false dichotomy: part of their increased cost of living is due to climate change: - your home insurance is more expensive b/c fire/hurricane/etc risk is worse in your state - and you probably don't have flood insurance but the risks there are worse too - your electricity bill is worse b/c you're using AC more b/c it's hotter - climate change does have healthcare impacts, including expanded geographic range of a bunch of vector-borne illnesses, as well as acute issues during heat events. Even if you're not directly one of these patients, your health insurance costs will increase in part due to these risks. - replacing key infrastructure which is damaged by extreme weather is expensive - during extreme weather events, your ability to earn may be disrupted - and every business you spend at also has increased costs due to the same factors, which they pass on to you It turns out that multiple generations of emitting without paying attention to the externalities has created literal costs that we _all_ now bear, and these costs will continue to increase.

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haizhung 1mo ago

I’ve come to understand the inequality crisis (which manifests itself as a cost-of-living crisis for most people) as one of the root causes for the poly-crisis we are living through. For climate change, I can totally understand how a household struggling to feed their kids will reject messaging of the form „oh and btw you also need to stop driving your car and heat your home lest the planet dies“. Of course they will revolt against that. To me, fundamentally, the west MUST solve the inequality crisis first before we can ever hope of solving any of the other problems. People need slack to care about the environment, their neighbors, peace, etc. And the other aspect of it is fairness - people rightfully look at the top, say „well the billionaires are jetting all around the globe and no one gives a fuck, why should I cut my holidays?“ We need to fix inequality first, and I project that most other issues we have today will magically resolve themselves.

jfengel 1mo ago

I did a bunch of door-knocking, for Obama and Clinton, and it didn't feel like I was doing any good. Everybody had long since made up their minds. It's not like these are hard choices. Either you view the differences as stark and obvious, or you think that it's all the same (and I'm never going to persuade you otherwise). I don't think I garnered even a single vote, and quite a few expressed aggravation. Is your experience different?

egonschiele 1mo ago
There are still swing voters and it is worth fighting for them! Also helpful to just remind people they need to vote. Typically, there is less turnout in midterms.