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> They don’t employ software-developers. They actually do employ developers: https://www.sovereign.tech/programs/fellowship https://www.sovereign.tech/programs

> They don’t employ software-developers. They actually do employ developers: https://www.sovereign.tech/programs/fellowship https://www.sovereign.tech/programs/fellowship > The projects need to apply repeatingly for funding. Still better than no funding at all.

preya2k 1mo ago
I don't think the Fellowship qualifies as "working for STF". These people are being paid/supported for the work they do in their own projects. They're not being paid to work on/work for STF to help them steer/analyze/control the other projects that are being funded. EDIT: OPs comment can be understood in multiple ways: Should STF hire Developers to work on their own projects, or should they hire Developers to understand/guide/manage the funded projects in a better way.
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nkmnz 1mo ago
> Compensation is based on the collective agreement for the public sector in Germany (TVöD-Bund) and will range from €64,000 to €82,000 per year for a full-time position, including 30 days of vacation, depending on qualifications and experience. LOL. That's €32,122 net for a full time position. And you're not even allowed to work from a place in southern Europe where you can actually live from that amount of money.
- nwellnhof 1mo ago
  It's more like €40,000-50,000 after taxes and contributions to health care, social security and the German pension fund. Enough for a modest lifestyle in Germany. Many OSS contributors aren't motivated by money after all.
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  - nkmnz 1mo ago
    We're both wrong, it's 38.646,02€ Go to https://www.nettolohn.de https://www.nettolohn.de and enter 64000€, choose Berlin, keep the rest. That's not enough for a modest lifestyle for a family, proven by the fact that with such an income, you're already entitled for social benefits (Wohngeld) in an average German city of 200.000 inhabitants for a family of 4: https://www.wohngeld.org/einkommen/#Wohngeldtabellen_fuer_Mietstufe_6 https://www.wohngeld.org/einkommen/#Wohngeldtabellen_fuer_Mi... This is the government telling you: you can come work full time for us, but you'll not be able to provide for your family, that's why you can stand in line with all those who don't work at all to claim your benefits.
    - nwellnhof 1mo ago
      > We're both wrong, it's 38.646,02€ Assuming you don't pay Kirchensteuer, it's almost €40,000. > you're already entitled for social benefits (Wohngeld) No, you're slightly above the threshold but in any case this doesn't say much. If you're talking about families, I'd also assume that your partner earns a little extra. Anyway, the median gross income in Germany is €54,000, so you seem to be implying that the majority of Germans are unable to live a decent life. Maybe you should talk more to people outside your social bubble?
wowczarek 1mo ago
>> The projects need to apply repeatingly for funding. > Still better than no funding at all. Exactly, plus no grantor I know operates on a blank check basis, its always budgeting, prioritisation, and new applications and grants are for a specific period, can come in tranches, etc. Just how these things work, Germany or not.

preya2k 1mo ago

I don't think the Fellowship qualifies as "working for STF". These people are being paid/supported for the work they do in their own projects. They're not being paid to work on/work for STF to help them steer/analyze/control the other projects that are being funded. EDIT: OPs comment can be understood in multiple ways: Should STF hire Developers to work on their own projects, or should they hire Developers to understand/guide/manage the funded projects in a better way.

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nkmnz 1mo ago

> Compensation is based on the collective agreement for the public sector in Germany (TVöD-Bund) and will range from €64,000 to €82,000 per year for a full-time position, including 30 days of vacation, depending on qualifications and experience. LOL. That's €32,122 net for a full time position. And you're not even allowed to work from a place in southern Europe where you can actually live from that amount of money.

nwellnhof 1mo ago
It's more like €40,000-50,000 after taxes and contributions to health care, social security and the German pension fund. Enough for a modest lifestyle in Germany. Many OSS contributors aren't motivated by money after all.
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- nkmnz 1mo ago
  We're both wrong, it's 38.646,02€ Go to https://www.nettolohn.de https://www.nettolohn.de and enter 64000€, choose Berlin, keep the rest. That's not enough for a modest lifestyle for a family, proven by the fact that with such an income, you're already entitled for social benefits (Wohngeld) in an average German city of 200.000 inhabitants for a family of 4: https://www.wohngeld.org/einkommen/#Wohngeldtabellen_fuer_Mietstufe_6 https://www.wohngeld.org/einkommen/#Wohngeldtabellen_fuer_Mi... This is the government telling you: you can come work full time for us, but you'll not be able to provide for your family, that's why you can stand in line with all those who don't work at all to claim your benefits.
  - nwellnhof 1mo ago
    > We're both wrong, it's 38.646,02€ Assuming you don't pay Kirchensteuer, it's almost €40,000. > you're already entitled for social benefits (Wohngeld) No, you're slightly above the threshold but in any case this doesn't say much. If you're talking about families, I'd also assume that your partner earns a little extra. Anyway, the median gross income in Germany is €54,000, so you seem to be implying that the majority of Germans are unable to live a decent life. Maybe you should talk more to people outside your social bubble?

wowczarek 1mo ago

>> The projects need to apply repeatingly for funding. > Still better than no funding at all. Exactly, plus no grantor I know operates on a blank check basis, its always budgeting, prioritisation, and new applications and grants are for a specific period, can come in tranches, etc. Just how these things work, Germany or not.