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I think not; from what I've seen, just moving to another company unfortunately makes you suddenly worth more. I've seen that first hand with more than a couple

I think not; from what I've seen, just moving to another company unfortunately makes you suddenly worth more. I've seen that first hand with more than a couple of friends: people who remained in the same company saw a much less significant raise over time (10 years) than people who changed 2 or 3 times of company in the same timespan. This is unfortunate but it seems to be a fairly common pattern (at least here in France), including getting much higher offers from companies which you left one year ago partly because you could not get raises.

yaddayadda 14y ago
Here in the States, I worked at one company where two overachieving colleagues had been trying to get raises for years. In both cases, they got fed up and found other jobs. The interesting thing is that in both cases, their respective bosses at our company told them to immediately apply for the positions they were vacating at our company. In one case the employee was hired back into the exact same position with a very significant raise less than two weeks after outprocessing. In the second case, the employee literally outprocessed one day, took a single day off, and inprocessed back into the same position the following day, again with a very significant raise.
rlpb 14y ago
> just moving to another company unfortunately makes you suddenly worth more. It's important to not confuse what you're worth generally, what you're worth to a specific employer and what an employer is actually paying you. Don't make the mistake of thinking that you are automatically worth only what you are getting paid. The goal of negotiation is to end up getting paid what you're worth to your employer. If you move to another employer and get paid more, then either you're worth more to your new employer than you were to your old employer, or your old employer was not paying you what you were worth to him. Some employers will never pay you what you are worth to them. They take advantage of the fact that most employees are either poor negotiators or not in a position to risk moving. This is more likely to happen after you've been there a while, since that tends to be when even more employees are poor negotiators or not in a position to risk moving. The best thing to do is to move (if you can).

yaddayadda 14y ago

Here in the States, I worked at one company where two overachieving colleagues had been trying to get raises for years. In both cases, they got fed up and found other jobs. The interesting thing is that in both cases, their respective bosses at our company told them to immediately apply for the positions they were vacating at our company. In one case the employee was hired back into the exact same position with a very significant raise less than two weeks after outprocessing. In the second case, the employee literally outprocessed one day, took a single day off, and inprocessed back into the same position the following day, again with a very significant raise.

rlpb 14y ago

> just moving to another company unfortunately makes you suddenly worth more. It's important to not confuse what you're worth generally, what you're worth to a specific employer and what an employer is actually paying you. Don't make the mistake of thinking that you are automatically worth only what you are getting paid. The goal of negotiation is to end up getting paid what you're worth to your employer. If you move to another employer and get paid more, then either you're worth more to your new employer than you were to your old employer, or your old employer was not paying you what you were worth to him. Some employers will never pay you what you are worth to them. They take advantage of the fact that most employees are either poor negotiators or not in a position to risk moving. This is more likely to happen after you've been there a while, since that tends to be when even more employees are poor negotiators or not in a position to risk moving. The best thing to do is to move (if you can).