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Quite. I was a VMware fanboi (25+ years, man and boy) I still look after a few VMware estates and a lot of Proxmox ones (that used to run VMware). Hilariousl
by gerdesj 1mo ago
Quite. I was a VMware fanboi (25+ years, man and boy)
I still look after a few VMware estates and a lot of Proxmox ones (that used to run VMware).
Hilariously, VMware is described as "enterprise class", which I can only conclude means MVP and a bit wanky.
Today I repaired a Proxmox HA + Ceph node using boring old normal Linux skills and as it turns out I have 30 years of those. Part way through a remote v8 to 9 upgrade I think I lost comms due to using OpenvSwitch for networking and despite using tmux for the upgrade session. Anyway, the Proxmox ISO was useless for rescue but the classic systemrescuecd worked nicely and I could run dpkg in a chroot.
VMware "used" Linux and never really gave back. I don't miss fixing vCentres and all the other nonsense that "Enterprise" wankery has foisted on me over the years.
- taneq 1mo agoWhen I was first getting into software dev, I thought 'enterprise' meant 'industrial grade', 'powerful', 'high-performing'. Then I actually met some enterprise software, and realised that it means 'expensive', 'bespoke', 'one-off', and usually 'janky'.
- phoghed 1mo agoEnterprise means it has SSO and a support contract
- esseph 1mo agoLol, so true
- jacquesm 1mo agoIt means you are paying for a support contract. Whether you actually have one time will tell.
- PeterStuer 1mo agoOnly seasoned engineers will understand you are not joking.
- phoghed 1mo agoSorry, the very simple thing you’re trying to do is too complex and non-standard for our support team to handle. We’ll gladly sell you a consultant for $400/hr. He’ll work on modifying our system, and then we’ll sell those modifications to everyone else.
- valenterry 1mo agoAnd in-transparent pricing and this annoying dude that asks you once in a while if everything is okay, usually before the renewal.
- bigbuppo 1mo agoEnterprise quality software is a just a DOS application, probably written for dBase III, that has been rolled forward to the present day.
- elcritch 1mo agoThose old school systems are often much more stable than any newer systems. Autozone looks to use something like that and I’ve never seen them have issues as a customer.
- bigbuppo 1mo agoIn recent history I've done some work on Pick/Multivalue systems first deployed in the 1980s that have been rolled forward today and I love every minute of it. Dick Pick had some opinions and most of them were pretty good.
- Nursie 1mo agoTo me it always meant needlessly complex and overspecced for what's needed. I think probably due to Java's enterprise years. Why solve the problem directly when you can abstract everything away into FactoryFactoryImplementationInterfaceFactorys, and have something that is both a memory-hog and completely unassailable to any normal programmer seeking to understand it or make changes?
- dboreham 1mo ago"Enterprise" mainly describes the sales and support process, not the nature of the product itself. That said one does influence the other.