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I thought it was a bit strange to go from mills mess to site swap. Any site swap can be juggled as a mills mess, they're effectively independent. E.g. see the f

by ximeng 14y ago

I thought it was a bit strange to go from mills mess to site swap. Any site swap can be juggled as a mills mess, they're effectively independent. E.g. see the first trick in this video for a five ball mills mess 97531 pattern. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZx4cLTDWTE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZx4cLTDWTE As the article mentions, site swap doesn't help you to find the interesting variations. E.g. the 97531 above probably moves too fast for the untrained eye to appreciate, it just looks like a blur. But a juggler can appreciate the level of difficulty involved. For examples of what non-jugglers prefer versus jugglers, compare "Chris Bliss" and "Chris Bliss Diss" on youtube.

ColinWright 14y ago
It's how it happened. Mills Mess made it clear how hard it was to write down anything, so we started from scratch to invent a notation. We simplified things to start with, saying "Let's not allow the hands to move about" (thus eliminating Mills Mess initially) and "Let's keep the timing fixed", and so on. Thus SiteSwap was born. There is a similar notation for restricted types of hand movements called "MMSTD", and there is a general, unrestricted notation called "BeatMap". Not sure how much either have caught on amongst juggers in general, but certainly SiteSwap is well-known in the juggling population. Loved by some, hated by some, understood by some, it's an interesting mix. With regards the "Chris Bliss Diss" video, note that the soundtrack - including applause and gasps - is from the original video. Jason recorded his "Diss" video in a gym without an audience. It's also not a single take. Not to take away from the incredible juggling - it's stunning. I just wish he had done something for himself, and not this diss.
ColinWright 14y ago
Stunning juggling - is it you? Or something you found?
- ximeng 14y ago
  Just found it I'm afraid, Mill's mess with 5 no siteswap was about as far as I got.

by ximeng 14y ago

ColinWright 14y ago

It's how it happened. Mills Mess made it clear how hard it was to write down anything, so we started from scratch to invent a notation. We simplified things to start with, saying "Let's not allow the hands to move about" (thus eliminating Mills Mess initially) and "Let's keep the timing fixed", and so on. Thus SiteSwap was born. There is a similar notation for restricted types of hand movements called "MMSTD", and there is a general, unrestricted notation called "BeatMap". Not sure how much either have caught on amongst juggers in general, but certainly SiteSwap is well-known in the juggling population. Loved by some, hated by some, understood by some, it's an interesting mix. With regards the "Chris Bliss Diss" video, note that the soundtrack - including applause and gasps - is from the original video. Jason recorded his "Diss" video in a gym without an audience. It's also not a single take. Not to take away from the incredible juggling - it's stunning. I just wish he had done something for himself, and not this diss.

ColinWright 14y ago

Stunning juggling - is it you? Or something you found?

ximeng 14y ago
Just found it I'm afraid, Mill's mess with 5 no siteswap was about as far as I got.