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ACTA gets final stake through heart as EC drops court referral

30 points by microwise 14y ago

Nursie 14y ago
But don't worry because there's CETA and if that fails we've got another one on the back burner. We, the media industry, understand how important it is to the people of the US and the EU to get these provisions into law, so we'll keep funding the lobbyists until we all get the laws we want. We're only doing it because we love you so damn much!
- mtgx 14y ago
  There's also TPP, which they'll probably try to pass in a year or two. https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Strategic_Economic_Partnership#Intellectual_property_provisions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Strategic_Economi...
- pbateman 14y ago
  "No, this isn't like ACTA at all, it has an entirely different acronym"
stuaxo 14y ago
"At least six of the signatories need to ratify ACTA if it is to come into force anywhere. Sadly for those who favour the agreement, the withdrawal of the EU and its 27 member states means there are only eight signatories left." Sounds like there's still a fairly good chance of it coming to some countries - when it's there they can keep repushing it.
- mtgx 14y ago
  22 EU governments actually signed ACTA: http://www.geekosystem.com/acta-primer/ http://www.geekosystem.com/acta-primer/ So in theory, they could still adopt it all "independently", I think. I mean I don't think the EU Parliament "rejection" means that they aren't allowed to make their own laws like this if they want to, does it? It's just that they might not do it because of the whole backlash and because the EU Parliament rejected it, too, and it would look very bad if they tried it now. Although they might still try to include parts of it in different laws and try to do it as stealthily as possible, but it's very unlikely most of them would do that right now.
Flenser 14y ago
What parties/groups are trying to get sensible copyright laws on the books? Where do I send my money if I want to support them?
- Nursie 14y ago
  Pirate Party. There's a lot to disagree with about them, but they seem to be the only force pushing in the other direction. Depending on which country you're in they are garnering some amount of support. I believe they even have an MEP now.
  - Flenser 14y ago
    I started here: http://www.pp-international.net/ http://www.pp-international.net/ but could only find legislation they are against, not any they are supporting. Stopping bad legislation is going to be a game of wack-a-mole until better laws are adopted. Is there any new legislation we should be supporting and lobbying "mainstream" (for want of a better word) politicians to support?
    - Nursie 14y ago
      If you're in the UK (I am) then they have a specific manifesto here - http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/media/uploads/Manifesto2012.pdf http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/media/uploads/Manifesto2012.pd... Reading through it I might have to join, there's very, very little I can find to disagree with there. For any americans - It leans heavily on the liberal side of things (as do I) though doesn't veer too far into the more blatantly socialist stuff. It does include a so-called Tobin Tax which I think I agree with, but could negatively affect the UK economy if the folks doing the HFT stuff leave... So yeah. Unsure about other countries. I think a bit like the Greens there is international collaboration but not a top-down structure.
      - Flenser 14y ago
        I did find that earlier. What I'm looking for though are specific draft laws/bill/acts. I can't find any.
braj 14y ago
http://youtu.be/VCBTFh3IhQY http://youtu.be/VCBTFh3IhQY (English part starts at ~7")

30 points by microwise 14y ago

But don't worry because there's CETA and if that fails we've got another one on the back burner. We, the media industry, understand how important it is to the people of the US and the EU to get these provisions into law, so we'll keep funding the lobbyists until we all get the laws we want. We're only doing it because we love you so damn much!

mtgx 14y ago
There's also TPP, which they'll probably try to pass in a year or two. https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Strategic_Economic_Partnership#Intellectual_property_provisions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Strategic_Economi...
pbateman 14y ago
"No, this isn't like ACTA at all, it has an entirely different acronym"

stuaxo 14y ago

"At least six of the signatories need to ratify ACTA if it is to come into force anywhere. Sadly for those who favour the agreement, the withdrawal of the EU and its 27 member states means there are only eight signatories left." Sounds like there's still a fairly good chance of it coming to some countries - when it's there they can keep repushing it.

mtgx 14y ago
22 EU governments actually signed ACTA: http://www.geekosystem.com/acta-primer/ http://www.geekosystem.com/acta-primer/ So in theory, they could still adopt it all "independently", I think. I mean I don't think the EU Parliament "rejection" means that they aren't allowed to make their own laws like this if they want to, does it? It's just that they might not do it because of the whole backlash and because the EU Parliament rejected it, too, and it would look very bad if they tried it now. Although they might still try to include parts of it in different laws and try to do it as stealthily as possible, but it's very unlikely most of them would do that right now.

Flenser 14y ago

What parties/groups are trying to get sensible copyright laws on the books? Where do I send my money if I want to support them?

Nursie 14y ago
Pirate Party. There's a lot to disagree with about them, but they seem to be the only force pushing in the other direction. Depending on which country you're in they are garnering some amount of support. I believe they even have an MEP now.
- Flenser 14y ago
  I started here: http://www.pp-international.net/ http://www.pp-international.net/ but could only find legislation they are against, not any they are supporting. Stopping bad legislation is going to be a game of wack-a-mole until better laws are adopted. Is there any new legislation we should be supporting and lobbying "mainstream" (for want of a better word) politicians to support?
  - Nursie 14y ago
    If you're in the UK (I am) then they have a specific manifesto here - http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/media/uploads/Manifesto2012.pdf http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/media/uploads/Manifesto2012.pd... Reading through it I might have to join, there's very, very little I can find to disagree with there. For any americans - It leans heavily on the liberal side of things (as do I) though doesn't veer too far into the more blatantly socialist stuff. It does include a so-called Tobin Tax which I think I agree with, but could negatively affect the UK economy if the folks doing the HFT stuff leave... So yeah. Unsure about other countries. I think a bit like the Greens there is international collaboration but not a top-down structure.
    - Flenser 14y ago
      I did find that earlier. What I'm looking for though are specific draft laws/bill/acts. I can't find any.

braj 14y ago

http://youtu.be/VCBTFh3IhQY http://youtu.be/VCBTFh3IhQY (English part starts at ~7")