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"You can also browse and install software releases directly from the Internet Archive without leaving the app. " That's a fine line being walked there. If they

"You can also browse and install software releases directly from the Internet Archive without leaving the app. " That's a fine line being walked there. If they are worried about rights issues and not including the bundles, this seems like a risky FU by building this feature in directly. The part about using bundles you may have without asking questions of origin is fine. Otherwise, why not just include the bundles?

jedberg 1mo ago
This is pretty well trod legally. By the user taking a specific action, it makes the user responsible. Comma.ai uses the same technique. Technically their self driving hardware comes with no software. You have to click a button and point it at their GitHub to get the software on it, but it's automatic after that.
- CaliforniaKarl 1mo ago
  I forget, doesn't Audacity also have you do this, if you want to be able to export projects as MP3?
  - dylan604 1mo ago
    yes, although the I recently tried doing this on a cloud Ubuntu instance, and it refused to see the .so file
- schoen 1mo ago
  We lost a Supreme Court case in 2005 on "inducement liability" (not a familiar copyright doctrine before that). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM_Studios,_Inc._v._Grokster,_Ltd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM_Studios,_Inc._v._Grokster,.... I'm not sure if this doctrine has continued to be applied to anything else.
  - jedberg 1mo ago
    That's a good point. The other examples didn't involve copyright. Hopefully since it's so old, the copyright holders are cool about it. ps. Hi Seth, good to see you around!
- micromacrofoot 1mo ago
  winamp did something similar, you actually had to whip the llamas ass yourself
  - stavros 1mo ago
    You must be one of those people who always downloaded the barebones version without the plugins.
duskwuff 1mo ago
From a pragmatic perspective: Berkeley Systems went through a long chain of acquisitions in the late 90s/early 2000s and eventually ended up under Vivendi, which hasn't done anything significant with the rights since a Flying Toasters themed J2ME game [1] in 2006. I doubt very much that they're going to do anything. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZSufoTPBs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZSufoTPBs

jedberg 1mo ago

This is pretty well trod legally. By the user taking a specific action, it makes the user responsible. Comma.ai uses the same technique. Technically their self driving hardware comes with no software. You have to click a button and point it at their GitHub to get the software on it, but it's automatic after that.

CaliforniaKarl 1mo ago
I forget, doesn't Audacity also have you do this, if you want to be able to export projects as MP3?
- dylan604 1mo ago
  yes, although the I recently tried doing this on a cloud Ubuntu instance, and it refused to see the .so file
schoen 1mo ago
We lost a Supreme Court case in 2005 on "inducement liability" (not a familiar copyright doctrine before that). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM_Studios,_Inc._v._Grokster,_Ltd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM_Studios,_Inc._v._Grokster,.... I'm not sure if this doctrine has continued to be applied to anything else.
- jedberg 1mo ago
  That's a good point. The other examples didn't involve copyright. Hopefully since it's so old, the copyright holders are cool about it. ps. Hi Seth, good to see you around!
micromacrofoot 1mo ago
winamp did something similar, you actually had to whip the llamas ass yourself
- stavros 1mo ago
  You must be one of those people who always downloaded the barebones version without the plugins.

duskwuff 1mo ago

From a pragmatic perspective: Berkeley Systems went through a long chain of acquisitions in the late 90s/early 2000s and eventually ended up under Vivendi, which hasn't done anything significant with the rights since a Flying Toasters themed J2ME game [1] in 2006. I doubt very much that they're going to do anything. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZSufoTPBs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZSufoTPBs