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If MAGA wants lower crime, why is MAGA kicking out immigrants? Immigrants commit crime at lower rates than citizens. [1] If MAGA is pro-economy, why is MAGA
by buellerbueller 1mo ago
If MAGA wants lower crime, why is MAGA kicking out immigrants? Immigrants commit crime at lower rates than citizens. [1]
If MAGA is pro-economy, why is MAGA kicking out immigrants? Immigrants are more entrepreneurial than US-born citizens. [2] [3]. Why the tariffs? Tariffs are a tax on American consumers.
The line of reasoning you present is just completely wrong. Is it because MAGA are wrong/ignorant? Or because MAGA are racist and fascists?
[1] https://www.aeaweb.org/research/chart/incarceration-immigrants-us-born https://www.aeaweb.org/research/chart/incarceration-immigran...
[2] https://news.mit.edu/2022/study-immigrants-more-likely-start-firms-create-jobs-0509 https://news.mit.edu/2022/study-immigrants-more-likely-start...
[3] https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/report/fortune-500-companies-founded-by-immigrants-2025/ https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/report/fortune-50...
EDIT, sadly the reply is flagged, so I will post my response to it below:
>Don't conflate immigrants with illegal immigrants first off.
The analyses I presented don't make a distinction between legal and illegal immigrants; the facts they state still stand.
>Second, we KNOW a lot of those people they're picking up committed crimes. Murder, rape, etc. They all have charges and are queued for deportation.
And if your concern is about crime, you would want the law enforcement resources that are being used to pick up immigrants to be used to pick up US-born citizens, because US born citizens are more criminal.
>Illegal immigrants are a strain on the healthcare system, education system, policing, social services. It's a simple fact that every country knows.
Wrong again. Immigrants use less of all of those social resources, except public school. Public schools are strained because us-born students are more likely to attend private schools, and public schools are generally funded on a student headcount basis. [4] [5] [6] [7]
>And Tariffs are a consumption tax on if they buy those foreign products. I'll take a trade war if it means getting drug prices and many other trade inequalities down (which he did). Turns out our allies are bigger assholes than our adversaries.
Typically, as reported, there aren't many American substitutes for the foreign-produced goods that have been taxed on tariffs. Just to use a very recent example, American cars now have their canadian auto parts slapped with a 50% tariff. Am I supposed to source my own american parts and then build my own car? What the hell is wrong with you?
>But nah, Democrats must be right about everything. It's impossible to be wrong. Republicans are evil and ignorant is what you probably hear.
Living in a red state, and having many MAGA family members, I am sympathetic to listening to the arguments made by MAGA. However, their claims fall apart when you start looking at facts and data, as I believe I have amply demonstrated through our back-and-forth.
[4] https://www.cato.org/briefing-paper/immigrant-native-consumption-means-tested-welfare-entitlement-benefits-2023 https://www.cato.org/briefing-paper/immigrant-native-consump...
[5] https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/key-facts-on-health-care-use-and-costs-among-immigrants/ https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/key-fact...
[6] https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117
[7] https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/potential-impacts-of-increased-immigration-enforcement-on-school-attendance-and-funding/ https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/potentia...
- theultdev 1mo ago[flagged]
- inigyou 1mo agoThe government just shut down processing of legal immigration applications, so yes actually, Trump only wants illegal immigrants, no legal ones.
- theultdev 1mo agoIt's a temporary pause in INTERVIEWS, not the entire process. The pause is to train people to analyze whether that person would be dependent on public services. Unfortunately our public services are overloaded by illegal immigrants, this is needed. And what does that have to do with GP conflating stats meant for immigrants with illegal immigrants?
- soulofmischief 1mo agoYour situational awareness would improve remarkably if you would stop taking everything your favorite politicians say at face value and assume malicious intent until proven otherwise.
- theultdev 1mo ago[flagged]
- soulofmischief 1mo agoThere is no point in engaging with you because you're not currently capable of having a serious political conversation with your current approach. Ergo, your approach needs modification. Simply regurgitating my response back to me and claiming my own situational awareness is the problem is not the flex you think it is. You're revealing your malformed politics by suggesting I have a "side". I can imagine what "side" you think I'm on. Grow up. There are a lot of serious things going on today and we need to take them seriously. You can do better.