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Because silverlight takes all of 15 seconds to download and install, and Visual F# is an hour+ to install, plus a couple hundred megabytes of additional assets?

simgidacav 14y ago
Complexity. Target achieved.
- Rickasaurus 14y ago
  Well, it's not like the apt-get solution is a whole lot more elegant: http://thecodedecanter.wordpress.com/2012/09/06/installing-monodevelop-3-with-fsharp-support-on-ubuntu/ http://thecodedecanter.wordpress.com/2012/09/06/installing-m...
  - drivebyacct2 14y ago
    That's... not apt-get. Three commands that can be copy and pasted is about 10000x more elegant. In that it works in Linux and Siverlight doesn't.
    - Rickasaurus 14y ago
      In most cases Moonlight works just fine for my F# silverlight stuff. You should give it a go.
drivebyacct2 14y ago
I guess it's an effect/payoff tradeoff. All the same, it's an annoying reminder of how Silverlight helped in a very small way to tarnish the web for Linux and Mac users.
- daeken 14y ago
  Silverlight for Mac exists and is updated in line with the Windows version. Works great.
  - drivebyacct2 14y ago
    I anticipated "works for me" comments, I have no doubt experiences vary. I've installed Moonlight dozens of times in both Firefox and Chrome. I've used Silverlight on my MBA. I can absolutely say they are second class compared to Windows with Linux being unusable for anything interactive Silverlight and I can say for certain that the Azure portal was often unstable or annoying to deal with in Mac in the pre-HTML5-Azure portal era.
    - jordan0day 14y ago
      Well, if you're going to dismiss anecdotes, you probably shouldn't provide your own. (OS X Silverlight always seemed to work okay for me, too). That said, the Azure portal never seemed to work that great for me, even if I was running Silverlight on a Windows box. The HTML5 portal actually seems worse, to me, though. You might be interested in this, the azure-cli tools: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windowsazure/archive/2012/12/19/azure-cli-0-6-9-ships-pure-joy.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windowsazure/archive/2012/12/19/azur...
      - drivebyacct2 14y ago
        Sorry, I wasn't trying to dismiss them, I was saying that while Silverlight for Mac works for somethings, it doesn't work for plenty. Further, not a single person in this thread has defended interactive Silverlight in Linux because Moonlight has never been but a joke. I don't know how you can find the new portal to be worse. That Silverlight portal was one of the single worst thing I've ever used in my life. The HTML5 portal is quite nice, it uses the same endpoints the VS extension uses, giving them a single point of entry for management actions. I'm happy with the management portal now but am already aware of the CLI tools too.
    - nicolas2 14y ago
      Works perfectly for me on all my 5 Macs. And on windows..
metaobject 14y ago
I don't do windows development, and I've never installed any of the Visual <insert proprietary language here> environments, but I cannot believe that Visual F# takes over an hour to install. Is this true?
dscrd 14y ago
Much more if you consider the install time of Microsoft Windows.

simgidacav 14y ago

Complexity. Target achieved.

Rickasaurus 14y ago
Well, it's not like the apt-get solution is a whole lot more elegant: http://thecodedecanter.wordpress.com/2012/09/06/installing-monodevelop-3-with-fsharp-support-on-ubuntu/ http://thecodedecanter.wordpress.com/2012/09/06/installing-m...
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  That's... not apt-get. Three commands that can be copy and pasted is about 10000x more elegant. In that it works in Linux and Siverlight doesn't.
  - Rickasaurus 14y ago
    In most cases Moonlight works just fine for my F# silverlight stuff. You should give it a go.

drivebyacct2 14y ago

I guess it's an effect/payoff tradeoff. All the same, it's an annoying reminder of how Silverlight helped in a very small way to tarnish the web for Linux and Mac users.

daeken 14y ago
Silverlight for Mac exists and is updated in line with the Windows version. Works great.
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  I anticipated "works for me" comments, I have no doubt experiences vary. I've installed Moonlight dozens of times in both Firefox and Chrome. I've used Silverlight on my MBA. I can absolutely say they are second class compared to Windows with Linux being unusable for anything interactive Silverlight and I can say for certain that the Azure portal was often unstable or annoying to deal with in Mac in the pre-HTML5-Azure portal era.
  - jordan0day 14y ago
    Well, if you're going to dismiss anecdotes, you probably shouldn't provide your own. (OS X Silverlight always seemed to work okay for me, too). That said, the Azure portal never seemed to work that great for me, even if I was running Silverlight on a Windows box. The HTML5 portal actually seems worse, to me, though. You might be interested in this, the azure-cli tools: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windowsazure/archive/2012/12/19/azure-cli-0-6-9-ships-pure-joy.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windowsazure/archive/2012/12/19/azur...
    - drivebyacct2 14y ago
      Sorry, I wasn't trying to dismiss them, I was saying that while Silverlight for Mac works for somethings, it doesn't work for plenty. Further, not a single person in this thread has defended interactive Silverlight in Linux because Moonlight has never been but a joke. I don't know how you can find the new portal to be worse. That Silverlight portal was one of the single worst thing I've ever used in my life. The HTML5 portal is quite nice, it uses the same endpoints the VS extension uses, giving them a single point of entry for management actions. I'm happy with the management portal now but am already aware of the CLI tools too.
  - nicolas2 14y ago
    Works perfectly for me on all my 5 Macs. And on windows..

metaobject 14y ago

I don't do windows development, and I've never installed any of the Visual <insert proprietary language here> environments, but I cannot believe that Visual F# takes over an hour to install. Is this true?

dscrd 14y ago

Much more if you consider the install time of Microsoft Windows.